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Re: emacs-29 acd462b0306: ; Improve the use-package manual

From: Eli Zaretskii
Subject: Re: emacs-29 acd462b0306: ; Improve the use-package manual
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 09:09:11 +0200

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org,  Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  John Wiegley
>  <johnw@newartisans.com>
> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 17:01:13 -0500
> >> I think this part of `use-package` is a result of its having been
> >> designed before things like `package.el` became common practice (the
> >> main effect of which (in this respect) has been to make `;;;###autoload`
> >> cookies usable in all packages without any extra work on the package's
> >> author's side).
> >
> > Agreed.  Another thing is that `use-package' also tries hard to be
> > package manager agnostic, and that also shows in places.  I wonder if
> > that's somehow also connected to the above.
> Im not sufficiently familiar with all the package managers out there,
> but my impression is that it shouldn't make much difference in
> this respect.

But please don't ignore the use case of someone installing packages
manually, or from places that don't support package.el's methods.  It
could be just a bunch of Lisp under site-lisp.  For example, some
programs come with Emacs interface packages that they install under
site-lisp; examples include ID Utils, Guile, etc.

IOW, package.el doesn't solve all the aspects of managing unbundled
Lisp libraries for Emacs.

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