Re: emacs-29 b44a7ff85dc: Allow 'icon-title-format' to have the value t

[Po Lu]

Why not write:

"This is useful on certain versions of KDE, where [description of the bug]"

in NEWS instead?  It would be much less misleading.

On February 22, 2023 3:48:29 AM GMT+08:00, "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es> 
wrote:
>Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> They didn't need to do anything, because icon-frame-title was
>>> ineffective and Emacs used frame-title-format when minimized too.
>>
>> They don't need to do anything now, either, because the default value
>> of icon-frame-title is a string whose text is identical to that of
>> frame-title-format.
>
>If the user's config sets frame-title-format, after upgrading to 29 the
>title will be something else when the frame is minimized.
>
>>> > If the desktop doesn't behave like KDE, users could simply set both
>>> > formats to two identical strings.  The only reason to force Emacs to
>>> > use the _same_ string (which can only be done internally) is that
>>> > those desktops misbehave.
>>> 
>>> The reason to force Emacs to use the same string is to behave as most
>>> users expect, and to avoid hard-to-detect breakage on desktop automation
>>> setups that depend on the title of the window.
>>> 
>>> That was explained in #61496. No need to rehash the discussion here.
>>> 
>>> > So I don't see why we should remove the explanation.
>>> >
>>> >> OTOH, maybe we could explain that icon-frame-title it is effective
>>> >> in cases where the user does not explicitly iconify the frame, as
>>> >> when he moves to another virtual desktop.
>>> >
>>> > Sorry, I don't think I understand what you mean here.
>>> 
>>> Again, it was explained in #61496.
>>
>> Look, you started this discussion.  Now it sounds like you don't want
>> to continue it.  Neither do I, as a matter of fact.  I see no need to
>> change anything in the documentation of these features.
>
>I was just trying to point some totally unnecesary and potentially
>misleading text in the documentation:
>
>> +This is useful with some window managers and desktop environments
>> +which treat changes in frame's title as requests to raise the frame
>> +and/or give it input focus.
>
>I discovered that bug on KDE, I analyzed it, I reported it [1]. It is a
>bug specific of KDE and Emacs has nothing to do with it. There is
>nothing on the change to icon-frame-title that makes it a workaround for
>that bug. I don't understand why we have to discuss this, even less go
>back to a tangentially related topic that was already discussed and
>closed (#61496).
>
>1. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465530
>
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