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Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil
From: |
Philip Kaludercic |
Subject: |
Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil |
Date: |
Thu, 11 May 2023 06:52:18 +0000 |
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Payas Relekar <relekarpayas@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>, susam.pal@gmail.com,
>> emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 10:53:15 +0530
>>
>> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> > Why use the name "Devil" for this? It doesn't seen to explain anything
>> > about the package's purpose. It is likely to put some people off.
>>
>> Every name is going to put someone or another off, can't really help it.
>> OpenBSD has their daemon and there are already funny anecdotes about it,
>> but it doesn't hurt anyone.
Also, "daemon" is not just an OpenBSD thing.
> "daemon" is a term whose meaning in computing context is widely
> accepted for many years. "Devil' isn't.
I agree.
>> > If there is no clear reason why "Devil" is a good name, let's choose
>> > a better name now.
>>
>> As mentioned by Susam in previous mail, as well as the repo README, the
>> name refers both to 'eVil' (extensible Vi Layer) as well as 'God-mode'.
>
> People are extremely unlikely to understand that, even if they know
> about Evil in Emacs. And even if they do figure out this is related
> to Evil, the truth is that the package is not meant to be used by
> users of Evil.
I think it is more likely than you assume if you ask enthusiasts, but if
we consider the average user who doesn't hang around in Emacs-related
forums, chats, etc. then this is very true.
>> The name is distinct, and I like it for what it is.
>
> Please reconsider, I think this name is very unfortunate, because it
> gives users no clue whatsoever about the package's purpose.
Susam, what do you say? Do you have any ideas? A few names I can think
of might be:
- no-modifier-mode
- prefixless-mode
- implicit-ctrl-mode
- comma->control-mode
but I'm not really convinced by any of these (haven't really used the
package yet either). Perhaps this might inspire someone else to come up
with a better suggestion?
If you really insist, then I think we really have to come up with a
better description, because "Minor mode for Devil-like command entering"
is really confusing.
> Thanks.
- Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, (continued)
Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Susam Pal, 2023/05/09
Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Payas Relekar, 2023/05/11
- Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Po Lu, 2023/05/11
- Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/05/11
- Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Susam Pal, 2023/05/11
- Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Philip Kaludercic, 2023/05/11
- Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/05/11
- Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Susam Pal, 2023/05/11
- Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Philip Kaludercic, 2023/05/11
- Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Susam Pal, 2023/05/11
- Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Ruijie Yu, 2023/05/11
- Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil, Susam Pal, 2023/05/11