Re: Brand new clojure support in Emacs ;-)

[Philip Kaludercic]

Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com> writes:

> João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes:
>>
>>>> Why?  If the NonGNU people are "too cool for school" after having been
>>>> invited to GNU, why should the GNU project make even more special
>>>> accomodations for them?  Not up to me to decide anyway.
>>>
>>> Mainly because this will affect users, not the maintainer.  
>>> [...]
>>> Also, I don't see a reason to provoke the Clojure-mode maintainers.  I
>>> disagree with their reasoning and fear they have been misinformed, but
>>> the best way to remedy situations like these is to be understanding and
>>> prove ourselves to be cooperative by example (IMO).
>>
>> You seem to be under the misguided impression that my proposal is meant
>> to bother, provoke or help change the minds of the NonGNU Clojure
>> maintainers?  It's not.
>>
>> I simply think they shouldn't have a say in how the Emacs project
>> answers Richard's original request of a Clojure editing mode in Emacs
>> propoer.
>
> IMHO that is disproportionately combative.  Regardless of whether
> clojure-mode maintainers contribute to core and/or GNU ELPA, they
> contribute to Emacs's continued success by serving their users's needs
> and keeping these users invested in Emacs.
>
> I think they deserve the courtesy of not encroaching if alternatives can
> be found; I second Philip's assessment above.
>
>> As to naming, it's not my call, so let's have Richard chime in.
>> clojure-mode, newclojure-mode, etc, I personally don't care, since I'm
>> not a Clojure user.
>
> My 2¢, as a passive observer, not a Clojure programmer either, whose
> only interests lie in (a) alienating as few people as possible (b)
> getting dopamine hits from finding specks of consistency amidst chaos:
>
> * "lisp-clojure-mode", following other "FAMILY-DIALECT-mode" examples
>   like "makefile-gmake-mode",
>
> * no specific name (keep the name from the inherited mode,
>   lisp-data-mode in your example), just a mode-line hint, following
>   other "FAMILY[DIALECT]" examples like sh-script and
>   "Shell-script[bash]".

I like these ideas as well, even though I am hesitant to call Clojure a
Lisp proper ;)