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Re: Brand new clojure support in Emacs ;-)

From: Stefan Kangas
Subject: Re: Brand new clojure support in Emacs ;-)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 09:28:02 -0700

"Bozhidar Batsov" <bozhidar@batsov.dev> writes:

> Instead of having a civilized conversation here, I've felt that it's
> only "we know better" and to hell with how things used to
> happen. Sure, you can do whatever you want, but I think that no one
> will be better off if things in the community happen in this forceful
> manner.

I see that you're frustrated here.  I already thanked Danny for his work
on clojure-ts-mode, so let me thank you too.  Your work on clojure-mode
over the years is both valuable and appreciated.

Emacs would not be where it is today without its many excellent
third-party packages, many of which are firmly *not* under the GNU
umbrella.  That's a self-evident fact.

The official position of the project has been stated several times in
this thread, but to re-iterate:

- We disagree with not putting Clojure support on GNU ELPA, but we
  accept that you don't want to do that.

- We will not use the same name for a bundled bare-bones `clojure-mode'.
  It would have to use a different name.  The basic technical reason is
  that Emacs Lisp doesn't have packages/namespaces, as we all know.

- We do not want to impose any particular workflow on packages in GNU
  ELPA, or even those that are bundled together with Emacs.  We only ask
  that they merge occasionally (see Bug#65464 for an example of how
  that's typically handled), and of course that they follow our basic
  policies (e.g. regarding non-free software).

Personally, I agree that the tone in this thread could have been better
at times.  I can only ask everyone to make an extra effort in being
kind, especially so when things are getting tense and feelings are
running high.  It's okay to sometimes remind each other to count to ten,
but let's try to find ways to be kind about that too.

I hope that is of some use, and I wish you a great rest of your

> In Emacs We Trust! M-x forever!

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