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Re: Shrinking the C core

From: Emanuel Berg
Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2023 08:15:43 +0200
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Po Lu wrote:

>> Yes. There was a time not so long ago when cl.el was banned
>> from use in our Lisp code, except for at compile time.
>> Our Emacs Lisp was small, simple to understand, and easy to
>> learn. Now things in cl-lib.el get used as if they are just
>> a normal part of Emacs Lisp. Our language is thus MUCH more
>> difficult to understand, perhaps by a factor of somewhere
>> between 3 and 10. When perusing even established parts of
>> Emacs I groan inwardly every time I encounter one of these
>> needless cl-lib features. It stops me dead, forcing me to
>> consult doc strings (which are often missing and often
>> inadequate even when they are present) or even manuals.
> I agree. The use of generic functions for window system
> initialization irks me to no end.

The cl-lib features are awesome, especially `cl-loop' but
other come to mind as well. It isn't much more complicated
than anything else and provides much more expressive power
to Elisp.

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