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Re: My resignation from Emacs development
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Adam Porter |
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Re: My resignation from Emacs development |
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Fri, 22 Nov 2024 17:19:14 -0600 |
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Alan,
On 11/22/24 04:57, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
If calling someone a "monster" is not ad hominem, I don't know what is.
There's a lot of misunderstanding on the net about what ad hominem means.
It means critisizing something BECAUSE of who wrote/said/did it. I have
not done this at all, here. I am critisizing what Stefan has done,
fairly and squarely, and the (lack of) reaction from the various
maintainers.
A common definition of "ad hominem" is:
appealing to personal considerations (rather than to fact
or reason)
I think that calling someone a "monster" fits that definition.
Regardless, calling Stefan, or anyone else here, a "monster" is not civil.
If anything, it is Eli, Stefan K, and Andrea who are guilty of a sort of
"ad hominem defence". None of them appeared seriously to have considered
what I have said about Stefan M and the running of the Emacs project.
They have defended his action because they were HIS actions.
That is your characterization of their reasoning.
If I am attacking Stefan, it is because of what he has done. If you were
being serious, you would analyse my main gripes about Stefan - that he
makes big changes to Emacs without prior discussion on emacs-devel, and
that he is discourteous on mailing lists - and point out where I am
mistaken. I posted five anecdotes yesterday in my post to Stefan K. You
could have challenged these in detail, possibly, the three current
maintainers certainly could have done. None of you have done so.
I am being quite serious, but it is not my responsibility to analyze and
judge your technical disagreements with anyone, especially regarding
issues I have not been involved with. I am intentionally not commenting
on them, because they are beside the point, which is your public
behavior toward Stefan.
I don't find that characterization of this mailing list to be accurate
at all. There is infrequent, but consistently repellent content from
certain participants; thankfully, it is usually not repaid in kind;
occasionally it draws a tame chastisement. It's to be expected, when
you consider the variety of backgrounds present, combined with strong
personalities and enthusiastic participation. There are far, far worse
forums to be found.
Again, you don't address my point, here. That was that the extreme
delicacy in the Emacs mailing lists is exaggerated and conter-productive.
I addressed it: I don't find your characterization to be accurate. As I
described, this list is remarkably tolerant of uncivil words, and any
corrections are gentle.
But it is not okay for you to blame Stefan for your decision to leave.
It is Stefan's actions, both in the past and no doubt on-going, that have
had negative effects on me, and his failure to adhere to the standards
that other contributors do.
Do you think that any of your actions have had negative effects on him?
On anyone else? Or is he, in your eyes, the only guilty party?
Whose responsibility is it to judge whether he adheres to the project's
standards?
Stefan will have learned, one way or another, of this thread. He is
quite capable of responding, himself. I doubt he will.
Generally, the subject of comments like yours would be wise to remain
silent. He needn't defend himself here--we know him.
There is no question of defamation. What I have written is true and
verifiable, or fair comment at the very least. You have faied to address
the substatntive points I've made. I wonder why you posted.
What you have written is your characterization of his actions and
motivation. As has been made clear, your opinion is not universally
shared.
You have made several very unfair comments about him. These are what
I'm addressing, and I do so because you have made them publicly, and
repeatedly. I offer no opinion on the technical matters, because that
is not my responsibility here; and because this is not a technical
discussion, despite your framing it as one.
--Adam
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, (continued)
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Stefan Kangas, 2024/11/22
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Alan Mackenzie, 2024/11/22
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Stefan Kangas, 2024/11/22
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Eli Zaretskii, 2024/11/22
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Richard Stallman, 2024/11/24
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Alan Mackenzie, 2024/11/26
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Andrea Corallo, 2024/11/23
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Alan Mackenzie, 2024/11/22
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development,
Adam Porter <=
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Daniel Radetsky, 2024/11/26
- My resignation from Emacs development, Christopher Dimech, 2024/11/26
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Adam Porter, 2024/11/26
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Daniel Radetsky, 2024/11/27
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Christopher Dimech, 2024/11/27
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Richard Stallman, 2024/11/29
- Re: My resignation from Emacs development, Eli Zaretskii, 2024/11/30
- Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was: My resignation from Emacs development], Drew Adams, 2024/11/30
- Re: Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was: My resignation from Emacs development], Eli Zaretskii, 2024/11/30
- RE: [External] : Re: Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was: My resignation from Emacs development], Drew Adams, 2024/11/30