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Re: [Orgmode] Request: org as minor mode?

From: Jost Burkardt
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Request: org as minor mode?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:46:21 +0200
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Hi Dominik,

reading this discussion, I just want to throw in something, which is
quite a while on my mind: What about deriving org-mode from the
minor-mode outliner "allout-mode", which provides outlining
capabilities for non-text modes (plus some goodies like encryption of
subtrees). Allout manages the key-binding problem with a standard
prefix `C-c <SPACE>' to all keys plus some hotkeys for quick movement,
when you on a heading. That sounds quite like, what you have explained
for orgtbl-mode.

I'd really like to be able to manage my task directly within my source
files (and have the great tagging available!!!). An other use-case
would be managing task within in a emacs-muse file, like planner-mode

I can imagine, that this would be a major effort, esp. how to handle
keywords, like SCHEDULED, HEADLINE,... (within comments?), but as I
said, I would really like your opinion on this.


Carsten Dominik <address@hidden> writes:

> Hi Raman
> This is a complex question.
> Of course one could define a minor mode that contains some of the
> org-mode commands.  The main problem is key bindings.  Major modes
> define their own keys, and I guess you don't want to have the minor
> mode override bindings from the major mode, except under special
> circumstances.
> Orgtbl-mode deals with this challange in a special way.  All the keys
> that are acting on tables are bound to a special function.  That
> function first determines if the cursor is inside a table.  If yes,
> the Org-mode table function is executed.  If not, the minor mode is
> deactivated for a moment and the "other" binding of that same key,
> most likely set by the major mode or another minor mode will be
> executed.
> I believe you would have to formulate your request much more narrowly:
> What Org-mode functionality would you like to have available in other
> modes?  How should the minor mode decide if which function of a key to
> call.  For example, you could say you mostly want the structure
> editing commands, when the cursor is on a headline or a plain list
> item.
> But others might want the ability to put time stamps, or whatever.
> So in order to realize such a minor mode, I would need a clear
> definition.
> - Carsten
> On Mar 31, 2007, at 23:58, T. V. Raman wrote:
>> I've now come to rely heavily on org-mode for too many things --
>> this is of course good.
>> But this is also means that increasingly, I'd like to use
>> org-mode as a minor mode in conjunction with other major
>> modes. Is this possible?
>> org lets you use things like orgtbl or org-cdlatex within
>> org-mode;
>> what I'd like to see is org-mode itself be usable as a minor mode
>> --- in a manner similar to outline-minor-mode.
>> I think this would make things like email composition really
>> convenient -- org-mode is as yet the most convenient means I've
>> found in emacs to write ordered and bulleted lists with a minimal
>> amount of fuss.
>>  Thanks,
>>  --Raman
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