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Re: [Orgmode] timer for a task

From: Konstantin Antipin
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] timer for a task
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:13:46 +0200

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Carsten Dominik
<address@hidden> wrote:
> On May 26, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Konstantin Antipin wrote:
>> Carsten, thank you for explanation.
>> Hopefully, I will get FSF papers soon.
>> In a meanwhile, here is another patch that introduces following changes:
>>   In case we set effort estimate on the currently clocked item,
>>   show message when time is up (notification is shown only once)
>>    * Linux only: If libnotify is used - the standard notification
>>      system in linux, then show notification with it.
>>      Note: Additional package libnotify-bin should be installed.
>>  Additionally, if variable org-clock-sound is set, interpret it as
>> path to sound file
>>  and play it (wav files only).
>>    * If aplay (tool from alsa - standard linux sound system) is
>> available play sound
>>      with it (all type of files).
>> So, if someone has interest in this features, please try it.
>> I also would like to discuss If we want this functionality (sound and
>> notification) in the core,
>> or it is better to put it to the extension... Or, just introduce
>> another variable that controls if we show notification or not...
> I think we can put this into the core if:
> - this will work without crashing on any system where Emacs runs on,
>  i.e. if the re is no way to play a sound file, fall back to (ding)
>  with a message or so...
Well, I made it such, that
* If you are using linux
* and if you have libnotify or aplay in your $PATH, then libnotify or
aplay will be used.
If not, use simple message and emacs-beep.
It should not break things...
>> TODO:
>> * As proposed by Daniel, give user an option to see total time, spend
>> on the task instead of currently clocked time.
>> In fact, this functionality requires refactoring of org-clock-sum
>> function. Is it ok, if I do it?
> Maybe you don't really need to refactor it:
>    (save-restriction
>      (org-narrow-to-subtree)
>      (org-clock-sum)
>      org-clock-file-total-minutes)
> will give you the total clocked time in minutes.

Coool! so elegantly simple!
I used it in the current patch.
DONE:  Show total clocked time in mode line.
           (Instead of time since last start)
In fact, now I simply changed the default behavior - now mode-line
shows total clocked time,
without giving user a preference. I thought it is more logical
behavior... Or should I introduce defcustom that controls it?

Probably I am sending too much patches around :)
Just a suggestion: why don't we use github for org-mode hosting? It
would be soooo simple to contribute
and to manage things! You would only benefit from this, Carsten.;)
Github is a really nice service. And free, of course.
Transition to it would be a breeze as well. I can help, if needed with this...


> - Carsten
>> best,
>> Konstantin
>> patch is made on the git version of orgmode.
>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Carsten Dominik
>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>>> On May 25, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Konstantin Antipin wrote:
>>>> Here is the patch to org-clock.el that does show estimated effort in
>>>> the mode-line if it is set.  Like so: 01:20/01:30 (clocked
>>>> time/estimated time)
>>>>  It does it by:
>>>>  * Setting new variable org-clock-effort in org-clock-in function.
>>>>  * If org-clock-effort is not nil, show estimated effort in the
>>>> mode-line.
>>>> I would like to go further and do the following:
>>>> * Make a beep/or highlight if we spend more time on a task that
>>>> initially intended
>>>> * As proposed by Daniel, give user an option to see total time, spend
>>>> on the task instead of currently clocked time.
>>>> Does somebody else need this? Will this changes be accepted to the
>>>> orgmode-core?
>>>> I just saw that in order to contribute, you need to sign some papers..
>>>> Is this the only way?
>>>> I am new to open-source, so I am not really familiar with such things.
>>> Hi Konstantin,
>>> this is interesting functionality which I would like to have in the core.
>>> I can accept short patches of only a few lines without the paperwork, but
>>> your patch is already at the limit, and adding the other ideas you have
>>> will push it over that limit.  We have the following possibilities:
>>> 1. You sign the papers.  This is very simple to do, unless you have
>>>  an employer who owns everything you do and who might make problems.
>>>  This would be my preferred solution.
>>> 2. I can put stuff without FSF copyright assignment into the
>>>  contrib directory - you could make a little package that hooks
>>>  into Org, I would created any hooks needed.
>>> 3. I treat your contribution as an "idea/feature request" and implement
>>>  it myself.  As I have many other things to do, this is my least
>>> preferred
>>>  solution.
>>> If you decide to sign the papers, please get the form from the homepage
>>> orgmode.org (near te end) and send it to the FSF, with a CC to me.  This
>>> will take you no more than 2 minutes.  We can then proceed with
>>> integrating
>>> your stuff into the Org core, but I will be able to integrate this change
>>> into Emacs only after I receive confirmation about the signed paper,
>>> which
>>> will happen within a fee weeks or so.
>>> - Carsten
>>>> best,
>>>> Konstantin
>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Eraldo Helal <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>> Sounds good to me.
>>>>> Eraldo
>>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:30, Konstantin Antipin
>>>>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>>> Yes, you are right indeed. I am talking about effort estimates - I'v
>>>>>> missed this chapter for some reason from the manual.
>>>>>> I like the idea you proposed - to show how much time is left in the
>>>>>> mode line. And I think I am going to write necessary code for this.
>>>>>> Or, may be someone has even better idea?
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> Konstantin
>>>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Clemente <address@hidden>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>  I suppose you talk about estimated efforts. I also have noticed that
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> work better if I have defined them, but it is very easy to miss them
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> work on a task more time than planned.
>>>>>>>  An easy improvement would be to show at the mode line not only how
>>>>>>> much time you have worked on the current task but also the remaining
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> according to your effort estimate. And if it comes to 0, highlight it
>>>>>>> noticeably.
>>>>>>>  Other useful things to show would be the *total* elapsed time (not
>>>>>>> only the elapsed time of the last C-c C-x C-i) or directly the effort
>>>>>>> estimate (instead of the remaining time, the total time).
>>>>>>>  And as you say, an alarm would be useful.
>>>>>>> -- Daniel
>>>>>>> El dl, mai 25 2009, Konstantin Antipin va escriure:
>>>>>>>> Hi everybody!
>>>>>>>> I am constantly trying to be more productive, and there is one thing
>>>>>>>> that I noticed:
>>>>>>>> If you give yourself a specific time for a task, then you tend to
>>>>>>>> finish this task in this time. It helps to stay focused and do stuff
>>>>>>>> that is most important.
>>>>>>>> So, the question is - Is there any way to set a timer on a taks, and
>>>>>>>> get a bell when it is expired?
>>>>>>>> Some time before I even wrote a small extension that helps me to do
>>>>>>>> that http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/tea-time
>>>>>>>> But now I am thinking - is there an orgmode-way to do that? It would
>>>>>>>> be great to integrate it with great time tracking system, for
>>>>>>>> example...
>>>>>>>> If nobody uses proposed feature, please give me a hint how it would
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> best to do that.
>>>>>>>> my best,
>>>>>>>> Konstantin
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