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From: | Carsten Dominik |
Subject: | Re: [Orgmode] Beamer support in Org-mode |
Date: | Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:07:29 +0100 |
Hi everyone, after contemplating the \pnote proposal for beamer notes, I don't think that this is, in the end, the right solution.Can't we just use headings with a TODO keyword BNOTE or with property BNOTE
or so as the sources of notes? Or, even simpler, Or we could use a special value "note"in the the BEAMER_env property to mark notes. This would be easy to turn
on with the special editing code we already have, would automatically be tracked by a B_note tag and in this way stay visible. Using marked nodes would avoid choosing a specific level for such notes, and give the biggest flexibility. If we do this, then the following problem arises: An outline node always has a headline and content. What should be do with the headline? Should be throw it away? Or just make it part of the note text? Maybe that would make the most sense. Input is again welcome! - Carsten On Dec 20, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote:
I also liked this idea. Since beamer does not track where the \note command is used inside the frame and just puts every note from that frame in the next "notes slide", then there is no loss if org-mode put several \note commands in the end of the frame environment when exporting. Therefore, a headline below theframe headline seems to be a good approach.Also, if the beamer notes are not desired when exporting to other formats one could add a tag to the "notes headline" and use the already available feature ofnot exporting headlines with a given tag. - Darlan Cavalcante Moreira At Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:33:14 -1000, "Thomas S. Dye" <address@hidden> wrote:Hi Daniel, On Dec 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Daniel Martins wrote:\pnote could be an option Another idea is to reserve the lowest level to notes * section ** subsection *** frame etc ************** notes (I don't know how many *'s are needed) maybe we can set a number / variable like org-beamer-frame-level we could create org-beamer-notes-level Daniel 2009/12/18 Nick Dokos <address@hidden>:Adam Spiers <address@hidden> wrote:On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 04:49:23PM -0300, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote:In addition, while I also agree that footnotes shouldn't be in a presentation they are allowed when working with beamer and may be useful in some cases. If org-mode export footnotes as beamer notes then some months from now someone would be asking here in the mailing-list how to enter a standard footnote when exporting to beamer.I agree - unfortunately there are genuinely sensible uses of footnotesin presentations. For example, citation of sources for quotations,data etc. is ideally accomplished by footnotes: they are not used during the presentation itself, but by distributing paper and/or electronic copies after the talk, footnotes provide essential reference data for perusal by the audience at a later date.I think that's an argument *for* Eric's idea (assuming that the handout includes notes - that's my practice, but maybe not everybody does that, although they *should* :-) ).In general, I think slides should be very simple: single-level lists,single idea per slide, no footnotes - but I know that generalities like that are just guidelines: meant to be broken, given a good enough cause.Imagine a slide showing the results of a benchmark, claiming "X is much faster than Y!" You might want to talk briefly about how theresults were obtained, and about the impact of the results, but youwould also need to be able to tell the audience they could independently verify the results by obtaining a copy of the slides and visiting the URL contained in the footnote - especially if the results are controversial! In this case, it would not matter that the URL was too small to be legible from the back of the room.How does inverting Eric's idea sound: invent a new kind of footnote,let's call it, say, a "pnote", which is treated exactly like a footnote inall exports *except* beamer. In beamer, footnotes end up in the frameand pnotes end up in the notes. Not sure whether the implementation would be as simple as this makes it sound, but who knows?[1] Thanks, Nick [1] Well, OK: Carsten knows...FWIW, I like this idea. I think it tracks the mapping between beamer and LaTeX very well. In my experience, beamer slide shows are an aid in the spoken presentation of a LaTeX article. Beamer does a good job of mapping the higher level LaTeX sectioning commands, with some themes that automatically display down to subsection. To my mind, frames in beamer capture lower-level structure (e.g. subsubsection, paragraph, subparagraph) in their (often over-used) bulleted lists, and (more appropriately) the photographs, diagrams, maps etc. that are inserted as figures in theLaTeX article. As others on the list have noted, LaTeX footnotes alsomap fairly directly to beamer footnotes.This leaves most of the text of the article, which from my perspectivemaps to beamer notes. Marking off notes with the headline below the last one that deals with frames and their paraphernalia seems natural to me. The typical org-mode file that exports to LaTeX will have big chunks that transfer very readily to the notes sections of a beamer presentation. I don't know whether the idea makes sense from the point of view of implementation, though, because I can't really read the org-mode Lisp code owing to my own illiteracy. All the best, Tom _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. address@hidden http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode_______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. address@hidden http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
- Carsten
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