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From: | Carsten Dominik |
Subject: | Re: [Orgmode] Beamer support in Org-mode |
Date: | Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:30:47 +0100 |
On Jan 4, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote:
If a B_note tag is used in a headline for notes, it has the advantage that it will be easier to see all the notes in the document (slides with notes). Also, it would be easier to customize if the notes should be exported for other formats other then beamer (since the user could simple exclude the B_note tag).Regarding the headline itself, I think it would be better to ignore it. AFAIK it is not possible to set a title for a note slide and using the headline as thefirst note would limit what could be put in the first note.
What I meant as an alternative would be to treat the headline as if it would be part of the normal text - which would make it easier to make simple, single-line notes.
So *** this is a note :B_note: with more text would actually translate to \note{This is a note with more text}
On the other hand, if #+BEGIN_BEAMER_NOTE ... #+END_BEAMER_NOTE is used insteadof a headline then org could advertise the use of yasnippets in thedocumentation and maybe also provide a snippet for this. Therefore, writing the notes environment wouldn't be much of a problem, but a way of avoiding exportingbeamer notes to other formats would have to be implemented.
That would be simple. Beamer support hooks into ORg in many places, and we could simple use one of those hooks to remove these for everything that is not bermer export.
But what would be the advantage of using the #+BEGIN.... construct? Maybe that you could define it in the middle of the plain list.... - Carsten
- Darlan Cavalcante Moreira At Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:07:10 +0100, Carsten Dominik <address@hidden> wrote:On Jan 4, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Russell Adams wrote:Carsten, I've seen properties and sub-headlines proposed, but what about something like this, using quoting style to separate the notes from the slide? ** Slide - Slide content - Slide content #+BEGIN_BEAMER_NOTE Here are the class notes for this slide... #+END_BEAMER_NOTEThat is a possibility, but a lot of hassle to type for a short note. Admittedly, properties are just as messy. Maybe it should be * BNOTE Here are the class notes for this slide... more stuff.... - CarstenMaybe I'm coming in on the debate late... Thanks. On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 08:07:29PM +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote:Hi everyone, after contemplating the \pnote proposal for beamer notes, I don't think that this is, in the end, the right solution.Can't we just use headings with a TODO keyword BNOTE or with propertyBNOTE or so as the sources of notes? Or, even simpler, Or we could use a special value "note"in the the BEAMER_env property to mark notes. This would be easy toturnon with the special editing code we already have, would automaticallybe tracked by a B_note tag and in this way stay visible. Using marked nodes would avoid choosing a specific level for such notes, and give the biggest flexibility. If we do this, then the following problem arises: An outline node always has a headline and content. What should be do with the headline? Should be throw it away? Or just make it part of the note text? Maybe that would make the most sense. Input is again welcome! - Carsten On Dec 20, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote:I also liked this idea. Since beamer does not track where the \notecommand is used inside the frame and just puts every note from that frame in the next "notes slide", then there is no loss if org-mode put several \note commands in the end of the frame environment when exporting. Therefore, a headline below the frame headline seems to be a good approach. Also, if the beamer notes are not desired when exporting to other formats one could add a tag to the "notes headline" and use the already available feature of not exporting headlines with a given tag. - Darlan Cavalcante Moreira At Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:33:14 -1000, "Thomas S. Dye" <address@hidden> wrote:Hi Daniel, On Dec 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Daniel Martins wrote:\pnote could be an option Another idea is to reserve the lowest level to notes * section ** subsection *** frame etc ************** notes (I don't know how many *'s are needed) maybe we can set a number / variable like org-beamer-frame-level we could create org-beamer-notes-level Daniel 2009/12/18 Nick Dokos <address@hidden>:Adam Spiers <address@hidden> wrote:On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 04:49:23PM -0300, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote:In addition, while I also agree that footnotes shouldn't be in a presentationthey are allowed when working with beamer and may be useful insome cases. Iforg-mode export footnotes as beamer notes then some months fromnow someone would be asking here in the mailing-list how to enter a standard footnote when exporting to beamer.I agree - unfortunately there are genuinely sensible uses of footnotes in presentations. For example, citation of sources for quotations, data etc. is ideally accomplished by footnotes: they are not usedduring the presentation itself, but by distributing paper and/orelectronic copies after the talk, footnotes provide essential reference data for perusal by the audience at a later date.I think that's an argument *for* Eric's idea (assuming that the handoutincludes notes - that's my practice, but maybe not everybody doesthat, although they *should* :-) ). In general, I think slides should be very simple: single-level lists, single idea per slide, no footnotes - but I know that generalities likethat are just guidelines: meant to be broken, given a good enoughcause.Imagine a slide showing the results of a benchmark, claiming "X is much faster than Y!" You might want to talk briefly about how theresults were obtained, and about the impact of the results, butyou would also need to be able to tell the audience they could independently verify the results by obtaining a copy of the slides and visiting the URL contained in the footnote - especially if the results are controversial! In this case, it would not matter that the URL was too small to be legible from the back of the room.How does inverting Eric's idea sound: invent a new kind of footnote, let's call it, say, a "pnote", which is treated exactly like a footnote in all exports *except* beamer. In beamer, footnotes end up in the frame and pnotes end up in the notes. Not sure whether the implementation would be as simple as this makes it sound, but who knows?[1] Thanks, Nick [1] Well, OK: Carsten knows...FWIW, I like this idea. I think it tracks the mapping between beamer and LaTeX very well. In my experience, beamer slide shows are an aid in the spoken presentation of a LaTeX article.Beamer does a good job of mapping the higher level LaTeX sectioningcommands, with some themes that automatically display down to subsection. To my mind, frames in beamer capture lower-level structure (e.g. subsubsection, paragraph, subparagraph) in their (often over-used) bulleted lists, and (more appropriately) the photographs, diagrams, maps etc. that are inserted as figures in the LaTeX article. As others on the list have noted, LaTeX footnotes also map fairly directly to beamer footnotes. This leaves most of the text of the article, which from my perspective maps to beamer notes. Marking off notes with the headline below the last one that deals with frames and their paraphernalia seems natural to me. The typical org-mode file that exports to LaTeX will have bigchunks that transfer very readily to the notes sections of a beamerpresentation.I don't know whether the idea makes sense from the point of view ofimplementation, though, because I can't really read the org-mode Lisp code owing to my own illiteracy. 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