Re: Replace Org's C-TAB with C-M-TAB - objection?

[Joost Kremers]

On Sun, May 24 2020, stardiviner wrote:
> Bastien <address@hidden> writes:
> > C-TAB in Org is bound to `org-force-cycle-archived' to allow to 
> > cycle
> > through archived subtrees.
> >
> > In the Emacs tab-bar mode, it is now bound to `tab-next', which 
> > needs
> > to work globally.
> >
> > So Org's binding and tab-bar's one are in conflict, as reported 
> > here:
> > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=41325
> >
> > I suggest binding `org-force-cycle-archived' to C-M-TAB: any 
> > objection?
> >
> > Thanks,
>
> I object this change. Emacs tab-bar is not enabled by default. 
> When conflict,
> user can customize keybinding. I don't think it's very necessary 
> to change.

I would support the change, since both Org mode and tab-bar-mode 
are part of core Emacs and I doubt it'll be clear to new users 
coming to Emacs why these conflicting key bindings exist. Instead, 
they'll be annoyed that they cannot C-TAB out of the Org buffer 
and their impression of Emacs (not just Org mode or tab-bar-mode) 
will suffer. Ever more so because it's probably not immediately 
obvious to new users how C-TAB is different from just TAB: they 
both open the subtree at point.

I've been using C-TAB for a long time to switch buffers (albeit 
not with tab-bar-mode), and it's always annoying when some mode 
usurps (from my perspective) this keybinding. Now, I'm familiar 
with Emacs and the relative independence and freedom that 
individual packages have, plus C-TAB is a personal keybinding, so 
I know this sort of thing may happen and I know how to resolve it. 
For a new user, that won't be so obvious. For them, this will 
simply look like a badly designed UI.

So I think the general argument for habit-breaking UI changes 
applies: it creates a more consistent UI, which means it's easier 
on new users and more in line with what they expect. For existing 
users that want the old behaviour back, it's a simple 
configuration in their init.el.

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Joost Kremers
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