Re: wip-cite status question and feedback

[Bruce D'Arcus]

I had an idea on this, though it may not be a good one ...

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:39 PM Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 1:47 PM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > Some sentence with a concluding citation [cite:@key].
> > >
> > > ... that should end up like this:
> > >
> > > Some sentence with a concluding citation.[1]
> > >
> > > Aside: looking through the CSL spec, it doesn't seem this is
> > > documented. It obviously should be.
> > >
> > > And I don't remember if that convention is locale-specific; e.g. if
> > > while that's the standard in English, it could be different in France.
> > >
> > > In any case, this sort of punctuation modification should be possible.
> >
> > Could you show more example of this, possibly including quotes the
> > citation, or better, a precise description of the punctuation
> > modification you have in mind?
>
> Yes.
>
> Denis lays it out in this comment:
>
> https://github.com/citation-style-language/documentation/issues/139#issuecomment-825934813
>
> What he's arguing is that the rules vary by locale, with German, for
> example (he's employed at a Swiss-German institution, I believe),
> having different conventions than English, and American English
> different than British English.
>
> But an example from American English for illustration, derived from
> Denis' examples.
>
> "A simple quote" [cite:@doe].
>
> When rendered, that should be this in an author-date style:
>
> "A simple quote" (Doe 2021).
>
> ... and this in a note style:
>
> "A simple quote."[^1]
>
> So that rule would suggest something like:
>
> - if a citation concludes a sentence, move the note mark and whatever
> trailing quotation mark, outside the period.
>
> But, Denis continues, "While this is perfectly acceptable in American
> English, it is not in German, or even in British English. Here we have
> to know whether the final period is part of the original quotation. If
> yes, it will be put inside the quotes, otherwise outside." I'll paste
> the rest of his examples at the end.
>
> It's possible his rule here is more general, and would still be
> acceptable in American English.

The idea is this: make use of a "quote" style and abuse the item
prefix for the quote content?

So using his example:

[cite/quote:;A simple quote. @doe20]

A processor could then know the citation is associated with a quote
that ends a sentence, vs (note missing period):

[cite/quote:;A simple quote @doe20]

... and then more easily adjust accordingly, without needing to know
anything about the surrounding punctuation.

Does that make sense?

Bruce