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Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

From: Denis Maier
Subject: Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:50:33 +0200

Am 20.07.2021 um 13:41 schrieb Bruce D'Arcus:
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 8:48 PM John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 7:28 PM Emmanuel Charpentier <emm.charpentier@free.fr> 

In natbib there is \citetext{priv.\ comm.} which is used to add a
textual citation to the bibliography that doesn't have a key
associated with it.

Oh, I didn't know about that one in natbib.

Hmmm... why should you bother to reference a personal communication ?
Such private communications may be mentionned in the text (possibly by
a footnote) but can't be properly referenced (since there is nothing to
refer to). If you feel that this communication must be referred to, you
should give it some (written) support and (properly) reference this

Who is to say why someone would bother. It is a command on page two of
http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf that one can use.

It is also possible to use  \nocite{*} as a cite, which includes all
references from a bibliography, and yet contains no key. Even funnier in a way 
is \nocite{key} which just adds entries to the bibliography, but does not cite 
them in the body of a document.

Footnotes are not always allowed in publications, and for various reasons not 
worth defending, in proposals one might want to put this in the references 
because of space limitations.

If not a footnote, a parenthetical note?

What's the value of a citation and bibliography processor handling
formatting here?

Certainly in the CSL world, this has never been supported, and I don't
ever recall it ever coming up (though I'm sure someone on the Zotero
forum raised it at some point)

I'm pretty sure I've brought that up at some point :-)
FWIW, Biblatex knows a similar command \mancite.

Use cases:
Beyond personal communication, which I personally have never used, there are disciplines (classics, theology, religious studies) that refer to some classical works (Bible, Quran, etc.) with certain well-known abbrevations. Usually those works don't appear in the bibliography. This leads to problems with automatic citations, especially when you also use "ibid." and such...

Bla [cite:@doe].
Blabla (Gen 1).
Bla [cite:@doe].

Bla (Doe 2020).
Blabla (Gen 1).
Bla (ibid.).

With biblatex you can use \mancite to reset the citation trackers.

Bla [cite:@doe].
Blabla (Gen 1)\mancite.
Bla [cite:@doe].

Bla (Doe 2020).
Blabla (Gen 1).
Bla (Doe 2020).


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