Re: [BUG] #+cite_export: ... bibstyle citestyle cannot be universally used as global defaults (was: Patch for \usepackage[ ... natbib = true ...]{...biblatex} with org-cite)

[Edgar Lux]

On Jan 24, 2023 at 11:54 AM, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> wrote:Edgar 
Lux <edgarlux@mailfence.com> writes:

> I understand. My takeaway from here is that there is a need to provide
> extended global defaults for both bibliography style and citation style.
> 
> Which is a questionable design choice. I was referring to higher-level
> docstring for `org-cite-export-processors':
> 
>       (NAME BIBLIOGRAPHY-STYLE CITATION-STYLE)
> 
>     There, NAME is the name of a registered citation processor providing
> export
>     functionality, as a symbol.  BIBLIOGRAPHY-STYLE (respectively
> CITATION-STYLE)
>     is the desired default style to use when printing a bibliography
> (respectively
>     exporting a citation), as a string or nil.  Both BIBLIOGRAPHY-STYLE and
>     CITATION-STYLE are optional.  NAME is mandatory.
> 
> oc-biblatex simply deviates from the global paradigm, making oc-biblatex
> special compared to other citation processors. Not ideal.
> 
> I think that we have a fundamental design flaw with org-cite:
> 
>     #+cite_export: processor bibliography-style citation-style
> 
> introduces:
> 
>  - default bibliography style set document-wide
>  - default citation style set individually in every citation via
>   low-level commands, BUT NOT GLOBAL DEFAULT CITATION STYLE.
> 
> Basically, CITATION_STYLE cannot currently affect document preamble by
> design.
> 
> That's why awkward workarounds in oc-biblatex, where default citation
> style can be set globally, and we have to attach citation style to
> BIBLIOGRAPHY_STYLE keyword.
> 
> I suggest the following changes to the org-cite:
> 
> 1. :export-finalizer should accept export processor triplet instead of
>    bibliography style as 4th argument. The assumption that only
>    bibliography style is required to finalize the export is clearly not
>    accurate.
> 
> 2. Allow passing extra arguments in #+cite_export:
> 
>     #+cite_export: processor[opt1=val1,opt2=val2,...] bibliography-style[...]
> citation-style[...]
> 
>   The options listed within the square brackets will pass extra default
> options
>   to the processor/styles and used as needed by citation processor
> implementations.
> 
> WDYT?
> -- 
> Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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Dear Ihor and Org mailing list,

I wanted to answer last weekend, because I had the intention to contribute a 
little in terms of code. However, I was very busy, and I will be very busy this 
weekend as well. All in all, the idea sounds great. I appreciate that my 
opinion is taken into account, but I know very little about citation systems. I 
was only a bit concerned about the effort which is needed to implement the 
changes, as little as they may be. 



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