Re: Emacs Manual: G.5 Keyboard Usage on MS-Windows

[Lennart Borgman]

Francis Wright wrote:
> From: "Eli Zaretskii" <address@hidden>
> To: "Lennart Borgman" <address@hidden>
> Cc: <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Emacs Manual: G.5 Keyboard Usage on MS-Windows
>
>
> > > Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:34:23 +0100
> > > From: Lennart Borgman <address@hidden>
> > > CC: Francis Wright <address@hidden>,  address@hidden
> > >
> > > I did not follow this thread very carefully. However after some tips a
> > > year ago or more on EmacsWiki I wrote the following tip in the
> > > documentation that comes with EmacsW32:
> > >
> > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > >
> > >
> > >         AltGr+Control - Is That Possible?
> > >
> > > Emacs uses some keys that are a combination of AltGr+Control. Those 
> > > keys
> > > might seem impossible to type on MS Windows since you might have heard
> > > that AltGr is the same as Alt+Control. The truth is that AltGr is the
> > > same as /Alt+Left Control/. You can still use the /AltGr+Right 
> > > Control/.
> > >
> > > /Important:/ You must type /AltGr/ before /Right Control/! Normally the
> > > order between shift, control etc does not matter, but here they do.
> > >  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > Is that correct according to what you have found now, or?
>
>
> For me, in Emacs 22, by default RCtrl-AltGR is equivalent to Ctrl-Meta 
> provided I press the RCtrl key first and hold it, then press AltGr, 
> which is the other way around to what you wrote above!  If I press and 
> hold AltGr and then press RCtrl, the RCtrl makes no difference.

I just tested and I see that you are right. You have to type RCtrl first 
(or hold it down if you do not use StickyKes) and AltGr after. I am 
rather sure it was the other way round before - I believe. I got the 
information at first from this page on EmacsWiki

  http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/AltGrKey#toc4

and it also says you have to type AltGr first. Anyway I am going to 
change that information now then.


> Yes.  However, I think it might be useful to document in the Emacs 
> manual the way that RCtrl affects AltGr, which seems to be specific to 
> Emacs and is not something that I would have expected.

Agree. It is specific to Emacs and it should be documented in (info 
"(emacs) Windows Keyboard").

BTW I also think this page should mention the trouble with ALT-TAB and 
the windows keys. This can't be totally bypassed without a low level 
keyboard (as I use to tell here ;-). That is very useful information to 
new users and I really want it to stand out in the documentation, not 
hidden somewhere in the middle of the text.