Re: [Fsfe-uk] ReplaceFlash, was: BBC digital curriculum service in England

[MJ Ray]

On 2004-10-14 12:11:24 +0100 Alex Hudson <address@hidden> wrote:

> http://www.macromedia.com/software/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html
> Methodology and sample is at the bottom.

Thanks, I missed it there. I read the methodology details published. 
It's not 98.3% European users but 98.3% English-speaking Europeans who 
are on the NPD Online panel. The NPD Online Panel seems to consist of 
those people who click "Join Now" at www.npdor.com. I wonder why 
they've not published any range estimates...

> > That's certainly far higher than I would expect from experiences 
> > around 
> > here.
> I think we're talking about different markets, though. I'm talking 
> about
> direct commercial experience developing online language learning
> products.

Ah, right. I'd missed that context.

> [...] The standards may not change; the browser
> support sadly does (witness Moz dropping SVG, I guess).

You've written that a few times, but did they drop it? The 1.7 README 
says it's new and "not yet enabled" in the mozilla.org builds. To me, 
that suggests that they intend to enable it later. 
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.7/README.html#new

Digging around, I also found http://www.croczilla.com/svg/ which led 
to the notes 
http://www.croczilla.com/~alex/fosdem2003/mozilla-implementation.html 
that makes it seem that it all started with an education project! It 
doesn't mention it being enabled in the main build.

Anyone with a burning desire for tetris in the browser? Sounds like a 
killer app for college use ;-)

> http://www.cwi.nl/projects/Ambulant/Why.html (and the AMBULANT 
> project)
> looks interesting for this discussion.

I had seen that project, but it seems I completely misjudged it.

> [...] Helix is the place to start. It has SMIL 2.0 somehow, it also 
> has a
> range of audio and video codecs. The question is, how do we get SVG 
> (or
> a similar graphic) into the Helix player?

Hard work, probably. So, there seems to be both Helix and Ambulant 
which could give rise SMIL+SVG players in the near future? (I know it 
says Ambulant is a not a consumer player, but could a fork...?)

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