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Re: Gforth not working in android 12 onward because of google changes

From: Juraj B
Subject: Re: Gforth not working in android 12 onward because of google changes
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 18:47:01 +0200

Awesome, that helps a lot, but it seems I forgot to ask - is there a way to
load external files?
Something outside of forth's data folders? I'm sure gforth can ask for
filesystem permissions

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:02 PM Bernd Paysan <> wrote:

> Am Mittwoch, 25. Oktober 2023, 07:18:08 CEST schrieb Juraj B:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I have tried installing gforth from the play store onto my tablet which
> is
> > currently running android 12.
> > It worked as expected except for one thing: I tried to edit the .options
> > file. I couldn't find it.
> It's not created by default.  If you want to put something in there, you
> need
> to create it.
> > My guess is that it's somewhere in Android/data,
> > which has been made impossible to edit from within android, the only way
> to
> > access it is from a computer, but since I have a samsung tablet, I can't
> do
> > that in linux, it is only possible with windows.
> You should be able to copy files from your computer using adb push
> (Android
> debugger).
> But yes, Googles attempt to turn Android into another iOS-like golden cage
> is
> a real problem.
> > Besides that, even if I
> > didn't have this problem, I'd still like to be able to start forth with
> the
> > options that I want without an external device.
> You can also create that file via Gforth directly:
> s" .options" r/w create-file throw value fd
> s" -m64M" fd write-line throw
> fd close-file throw
> It's not as comfortable as an editor, though, and I think, I have to add
> an
> editor sooner or later, because the way Android now cages their apps.
> > I was also unable to start
> > any of the examples as I couldn't locate them (again, my hunch is that
> > they're somewhere in Android/data). It would be nice to move those files
> > somewhere outside that folder, where they can be accessed by external
> apps,
> > such as file managers and text editors.
> Gforth can locate all these examples fine, use
> .fpath
> to show where it searches.
> It's like
> “First, they came for the headphone jack, and I didn't care, because I
> didn't
> use one. Then, they came for the SD Card slot, and I didn't care, because
> my
> new phone has enough memory. But finally, they disabled access to files by
> third
> party file managers, and then it was too late, because there's no
> competition
> beyond Google and Apple left“
> There is some way within the app to open up access to its internal files,
> and
> I'll try to use that to open up Gforth's directories. It is just too silly.
> --
> Bernd Paysan
> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
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