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Re: Gforth not working in android 12 onward because of google changes

From: Juraj B
Subject: Re: Gforth not working in android 12 onward because of google changes
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 18:52:07 +0200

I'm very forgetful, I also would like forth to be able to open .fs files as
like one of those
"open with app" things. I don't know what that's called. Is that possible

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:47 PM Juraj B <> wrote:

> Awesome, that helps a lot, but it seems I forgot to ask - is there a way
> to load external files?
> Something outside of forth's data folders? I'm sure gforth can ask for
> filesystem permissions
> somehow.
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:02 PM Bernd Paysan <> wrote:
>> Am Mittwoch, 25. Oktober 2023, 07:18:08 CEST schrieb Juraj B:
>> > Hello!
>> >
>> > I have tried installing gforth from the play store onto my tablet which
>> is
>> > currently running android 12.
>> > It worked as expected except for one thing: I tried to edit the .options
>> > file. I couldn't find it.
>> It's not created by default.  If you want to put something in there, you
>> need
>> to create it.
>> > My guess is that it's somewhere in Android/data,
>> > which has been made impossible to edit from within android, the only
>> way to
>> > access it is from a computer, but since I have a samsung tablet, I
>> can't do
>> > that in linux, it is only possible with windows.
>> You should be able to copy files from your computer using adb push
>> (Android
>> debugger).
>> But yes, Googles attempt to turn Android into another iOS-like golden
>> cage is
>> a real problem.
>> > Besides that, even if I
>> > didn't have this problem, I'd still like to be able to start forth with
>> the
>> > options that I want without an external device.
>> You can also create that file via Gforth directly:
>> s" .options" r/w create-file throw value fd
>> s" -m64M" fd write-line throw
>> fd close-file throw
>> It's not as comfortable as an editor, though, and I think, I have to add
>> an
>> editor sooner or later, because the way Android now cages their apps.
>> > I was also unable to start
>> > any of the examples as I couldn't locate them (again, my hunch is that
>> > they're somewhere in Android/data). It would be nice to move those files
>> > somewhere outside that folder, where they can be accessed by external
>> apps,
>> > such as file managers and text editors.
>> Gforth can locate all these examples fine, use
>> .fpath
>> to show where it searches.
>> It's like
>> “First, they came for the headphone jack, and I didn't care, because I
>> didn't
>> use one. Then, they came for the SD Card slot, and I didn't care, because
>> my
>> new phone has enough memory. But finally, they disabled access to files
>> by third
>> party file managers, and then it was too late, because there's no
>> competition
>> beyond Google and Apple left“
>> There is some way within the app to open up access to its internal files,
>> and
>> I'll try to use that to open up Gforth's directories. It is just too
>> silly.
>> --
>> Bernd Paysan
>> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
>> net2o id: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*

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