Re: [gNewSense-users] Grsecurity on gNewSense, but for real?

[mirovis]

This message I have first tried to send, with one click onto
the "Send" button and a waiting long some 10 (ten) minutes,
about a half hour ago.
If it doesn't get sent, I'll have to subscribe with another
mail address to gNewSense mailing list.
Even though the developer Karl Goetz and I may disagree on
issues, I will do so out of respect ASAP, the ASAP not necessarily
being so very soon.
If any duplicate messages result being sent, it will not be
my fault.
Namely my connection only with Hushmail doesn't work properly
at times, meaning while at the same time that Hushmail stalls,
 I can browse the web normally on any other web addresses.
I'm not inventing this, I have screencast, and dumpcap and
could prove it if it were worth the time proving it:

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6262f90bbfd4b222b726f971fc4f3217dc634224caf515ba68fb90ecad8710bd

(And it's only with Hushmail that that happens to me in my
Tor browser, no other web page.)

Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks!
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The above, in some 15 (fifteen) minutes or 1/2 (half) an hour
 I was not able to send either from Hushmail, or from,
successfully revisited after long
time, my address@hidden account, with which I subscribed for
that purpose, but in all that time, the subscription
request didn't even show on Yahoo.
The screencast and dumpcap capture:
78152d57854859d136415a66d595fba19eaf0cf1d4de918581d7dc9e0dc05d40
d0938a7edfdb247231404788720476206793a797a238b53d09c6689ba96f504c
Since the night is drawing to its end here in Europe, I have to
try with yet another of my (censored) mail acconts... I guess...
Sorry again!
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Will now retry...  No, neither Yahoo nor Hushmail are letting
the message through.
Subscribed, on the same:
https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users
also with address@hidden No... This is here, not the ones above,
only this one, my forgetfulness and my ISP's misconfiguration.
The reply I sent correctly, but I cannot send it as address@hidden
only receive it as such... I can only correct that now by resubscribing
by giving the address@hidden address. Did it.
Did all correct, but the welcome-confirmation message is not showing in
the inbox, while the request for my confirmation showed, as in previous
mails, very quickly.
Sorry again!
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And if the above does not lead anyone of the readers of my
thread on Grsecurity on gNewSense mailing list to the conclusion
that that my writing on the Madam Impeccable's covert spying
program-intruders in the GNU/Linux, the sole thing that I was doing in
this time that I was censored, really gets on the nerve of people who
not only want to surveille most everything on the internet, but also
have the power to switch the "free"-in-fools'-heads-only internet 
off/on/or
at any rate in between, when they feel like
and to whom they feel like, I don't know what can.
However, noone can really know what they have not seen.
Namely it is technically/morally/human-nature-wise possible that
some of the administrators of the gNewSense mailing list has
blocked the sending of the welcome-confirmation mail to
all of the 3 (three) or 4 (four) addresses that I tried to
send this reply from. Those are the worst kind of obstacles in
fighting censorship, when they happen... They're like friendly
fire, you don't expect them, and they hurt, or even kill.
Or something other could have been the matter. Something other is not
a very likely possibility, though, since I've eliminated my errors
through being able to prove I haven't made them...

God bless all the readers!

Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia

Ah, the screencast and the dump capture:
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On 09/03/2013 at 9:11 PM, "Karl Goetz" <address@hidden> wrote:
> On Sat Aug 31 19:20:38 2013 address@hidden wrote:
> > On 08/30/2013 at 11:00 PM, "Karl Goetz" <address@hidden>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > address@hidden wrote:
>
> > > > Grsec/Pax are fully GNU, fully free, but to cut to the
> point,
> > > current
> > > > Debian leaders have no ear at all for this twin program
> solution
> > > > (Grsecurity is often used to mean the combination of the two.
> > >
> > > The grsec kernel patch (as packaged in Debian) is available in
> > > gNewSense repositories:
> > > http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense-
> > > three/gnewsense/pool/main/l/linux-patch-grsecurity2/
> > >
> >
> > That is an old out-of-reality misery apparently purposefully
> left there
> > for users' confusion. Yes, really yes: for users' confusion.
> > That is just one of the obstacles that, upon sincere insight,
> > can not be honest, unintentional errors.
> >
> > Here's what I posted months ago about such effective misleading
> of
> > newbies:
> >
> > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=103302#p493867
> > ("grsecurity install made difficult and misleading, why?")
>
> You seem convinced there is a conspiracy of malice being created
> to make grsec impossible to use and i really don't think i will be
> able to convince you otherwise.
> From reading the thread its obvious you don't have the technical
> skills with packaging to be building custom kernels (and were
> cutting corners or avoiding reading all required docs) which
> undermine your conspiracy claims further.

Hi, Karl!

We seem to have sent replies to the same topic at about the same time.
So I guess I had better wait for you to read my concurrent reply, for
reasons of your more full informing yourself on me, if you deem
necessary.
I will try and be around now, if I am needed to write further replies 
without
longer delays.

Thanks!

Miroslav

> > > As a side note, referring to 'current Debian leaders' makes it
> > > sound like a recent conspiracy - the current arrangement is
> > > neither recent nor (from what i can see) a conspiracy.
> >
> > Lots of references, much of them often swiftly swept
> > under the carpet, that bias is there, aplenty, in the GNU/Linux
> world.
> > And to say bias is quite often understatement.
>
> (I cut the debian multimedia bit)
> thanks,
> kk

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