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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external
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Diego Saravia |
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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files |
Date: |
Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:46:21 -0300 |
>> or only print info about what is missing?
>
> The vanilla kernel prints an error about the missing files if the
> request fails. For the case of non-free blobs, linux-libre now prints
> a /*DEBLOBBED*/ message, and the files are not actually requested.
Ututo now also prints a special message.
> If a driver needs a non-free firmware file to work, removing it renders
> the driver useless, so you can remove it. Having non working drivers
> looks pointless to me, and can -maybe in a subtle way- cause harm.
could you tell us about this subtle harm?
> Then the maintainer of the freed version of the kernel can stop removing
> that module.
and the people will need to upgrade, a lot of additional work
>> is there another way to detect that hardware?
>
> All hardware can be detected. That part doesn't matter.
can is different than doing it. Why do you think that do not matter
>> is not usefull to know what hardware do not have frre software to work with?
>
> Yes, but how is that related to the load call thing?
is related to the module
modules are a way to know if the hardware exists and is working.
>> > -What is enough to comply with the Guidelines for Free System
>> > Distributions? [3]
>>
>> is this free guideline fine?
>
> Is ok for me, but maybe it needs some clarifications (like this issue).
its not weel organized, have a lot of confusing parts, etc
but the principal issue is its central argument
we have free software definition, a huge agreement about that, why try
to impose additional conditions?
why to speak about trademarks and non functional non-free works
we are talking about a free distribution with non free material, why?
For example debian is more restrictive on that
>> is free-linux something usefull? or the removal can be done by a
>> script running over a normal kernel?
>
> I'm not sure if I'm getting your question. :|
do the world need free-linux?
we have free gnu/linux system without blobs a long time before that
project exists.
>
>> do free distros must have non-free-software-having-hardware detection
>> procedures and user warnings?
>
> Please, explain "non-free-software-having-hardware detection procedures"
capability to detect and warn user about hardware without free software
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- [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez, 2009/08/14
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files, joseangon, 2009/08/14
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files, Diego Saravia, 2009/08/14
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files, Karl Goetz, 2009/08/14
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez, 2009/08/17
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files, Daniel Olivera, 2009/08/17
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files, Richard Stallman, 2009/08/28
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files, Karl Goetz, 2009/08/18
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez, 2009/08/18
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files, Diego Saravia, 2009/08/18