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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Status of google chrome and chromium


From: jaromil
Subject: Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Status of google chrome and chromium
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:56:17 +0100
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sorry for quoting myself and so fast, but this is just flash news that
should close at least one concrete open issue with Chrome:

15:19  <_ale> jaromil: google-chrome --incognito

that's it, works from our own OS menu then.

so far, left open issues are:

 - code audition (grepping for network operations and such) - hard!
   (( should we simply trust some inquiries with trusted contacts? ))

 - a  summary of  licensing concerns,  if any  are left.   so  far, to
   confirm A.J.'s, collaborative approach,  the EULA debacle had happy
   ending
   http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/update-to-google-chromes-terms-of.html
   so i'm confident we can straighten up anything together, let's just
   clear it up then.

and at the end let's just hope the chrome logo won't be a problem :^)

ciao

> > That  being  said, I  agree  that private  mode  should  not be  a
> > "select" option, it  should be a default which  those users who so
> > desire can  opt out of.   Presumably some people trust  google (or
> > any other  corporation for that matter)  more than we  do, I don't
> > think  we should deny  google the  right to  let people  send them
> > information - that  would amount to censorship on  our part, but I
> > do believe harvesting it should require EXPLICITE consent.
> 
> as of now browsing on Chrome: I notice that every time there is such
> a possibility the browser asks if you like to share information with
> Google. It's a little check button, even hard to hit.  i'm fine with
> that, still  (old issue) i'm  not so fine  with all the  cookie mess
> going  on  already  since  long  (which  Firefox  didn't  made  much
> better)...  that's  a  practical  reason  why  Incognito  should  be
> default.
> 
> > So a  patch to make incognito  the default and have  the option to
> > disable it in  the settings may well be  accepted (possibly with a
> > dialog to  ask permission to  disable it during the  initial setup
> > wizard,  gray area  but one  I can  live with  - thoughts  ?)  For
> > kongoni, because do source based  ports, we could probably apply a
> > patch like  that at install  time for the users  without chromiums
> > explicite  agreement  - but  it  would be  better  to  have it  in
> > upstream in the first place.
> 
> I'm still on the task of understanding more about Chrome extensions,
> however now it  comes to me in  mind that this can just  be a simple
> extension:  shared   as  such  and   included  by  default   in  our
> distributions.
> 
> surely  we are more  familiar with  autoconf switches,  still having
> this change made  at runtime and by including a  file in a directory
> sounds  much easier  and doesn't  even needs  to deal  with upstream
> (eheh, sorry for being such an atheist...)
> 
> 
> > It's  worth  noting  a   major  movement  within  google  that  aims
> > specifically to address the problems  RMS has pointed out with cloud
> > computing and ensure their web apps are not problematic for users in
> > these ways  (for example requiring  all google web-apps to  have the
> > capacity to easily  export your data to a format  you can easily use
> > offline  or take  to  another  provider), that  keeps  track of  the
> > progress of various google projects on these matters.
> 
> that's great to know!!
> 
> We have  also petted  this argument within  the Free Culture  Forum, a
> recent initiative  held in Barcelona  a few months ago  (RMS virtually
> present),  calling it  "Migration Rights"  - be  it that  we  are very
> affected by such issues IRL as migrants.
> 
> Digital migration rights is just one among many issues now included in
> a  FCF Charter  that is  also endorsed  by the  Brasilian  ministry of
> culture, among  the others. circulate  it, join it  and use it  if you
> like http://fcforum.net
> 
> in case there are suggestions / comments / criticism / additions i can
> play liaison to the current FCF editors
> 
> 
> > It's  important   to  criticize  the  non-free   status  of  popular
> > applications like  picasa (or for  that matter, their web  apps) but
> > it's also important to recognize where the work they do benefits and
> > supports us - that is, after  all, how we create motivation for them
> > to benefit and support us more.
> 
> right on!
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