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Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software


From: Aaron R. Kulkis
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:30:31 -0500

JD wrote:
> 
> "Jim Richardson" <address@hidden> wrote in message news:address@hidden
> >
> > If you call that a proof, you have a funny definition of logic.
> >
> There was no proof in the text that you quoted.  Please look elsewhere,
> and criticize what was written (not HOW it was written.)
> 
> Paraphrasing part of the discussion, and sufficient to demonstrate the
> fallacy about the GPL license being a license of free software.
> 
> Basically, free software has weak (no) limitations on use and redistribution,
> and the GPL has strong limitations on redistribution.  In fact, by default, 
> you
> have to read the text of the GPL 'checklist' to make sure that you comply.  
> Even an
> average user can easily have problems complying the the restrictions
> associated with the GPL.  The restrictions with the GPL are more likely to
> impact a commercial user, but this shows that the restrictions are effectively
> discriminatory (a desirable, but non-necessary aspect of free software.)
> 
> With free software licenses, a USER has NO limitations that the license 
> restricts
> the redistributing of code, in whole or in part.  With free software licenses,
> a user can give up some of their freedom to redistribute (e.g. mention the
> code in advertising), but that was certainly a voluntary act.  A normal user
> will not 'advertise' the code before giving it to their friend.  Of course,
> with free software, a user can give software away in whole or in part, and
> requires no additional work or research to be shared, even given modified
> works.  Additionally, Note that software distributions sometimes do modify
> themselves as a result of user activities during running (e.g. databases, 
> datafiles, or
> runtime interpreted operations.)  This is, of course, not a major issue, but
> is an issue nonetheless.
> 
> The above paragraph, and understanding the GPL (redistribution restrictions 
> and
> requirements) is certainly sufficient to demonstrate the GPL is not free.  
> RMS talks
> so much about 'sharing' in his docs, and the license actually doesn't allow
> 'sharing' of binaries (the user's tools) UNLESS the user complies with a 
> checklist.  Given the
> 'sharing' is one of the important effects of the GPL, it is inconsistant
> even with a major goal.  Free software doesn't have that problem.
> 
> If you respect the text of the GPL license, and the fact that free software 
> allows
> both free use and redistribution, then it is clear that GPLed only
> works aren't free.  (Parallel licenses might free the software, but that is

Correct.  You are OBLIGATED to show the same courtesy which was
extended to you.

You have a problem with that?


> a different, straw argument.)
> 
> John


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.



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