Text limitations

[Jeff Henrikson]

Mats,

Just looking at your Gade parts, on the timpani on the first line there is a 
cued oboe passage having the text "Oboe 8va" colliding
with the tempo marking.  This is probably the most basic example of what I am 
talking about.

The problem, at least compared to music that I have seen, this piece is maybe a 
2 on a scale of 1 to 10 for text depenence.  When I
have some time I'll make some scans of some text dependent music that should be 
possible but aren't (at least to my limited
knowledge)

> Exactly what problem are you trying to solve using the invisible
> staffs? Is it the different padding or the different font styles?

Neither.  The most urgent issue which it solves is isolating the textual 
clutter in the .ly file in my text editor.  Second is part
extraction without having redundant markings on the score.

To be continued when I have time to get examples and be more precise . . .


Jeff


PS-

> (Sorry to sound critical, I'm just trying to to find out more
> exactly what you request.)

Oh, no apologies necessary as I usually feel like the critical one on this 
list.  My own apologies for the usually frustrated tone
of my messages.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:address@hidden
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:51 PM
> To: Jeff Henrikson
> Cc: gnu-music-discuss
> Subject: Re: FW: Agreed: my two-penneth
>
>
> > Actually, I should generalize upon the rehearsal mark thing.  Not only are 
> > numbers for rehearsal marks not enough, I need to be
> > able to put arbitrary numbering schemes, for example
> >
> > I
> > A
> > A_9
> > A_17
> > A_25
> > B
> > B_9
> > B_17
> > B_25
> > C
> >
> > All in large square boxes.  The computer doesn't really need to understand 
> > this, and it's a comparatively short amount
> of labor to
> > do by hand.  But so far as I understand, I can't do the foo^"escape-to-TeX" 
> > thing unless I am anchoring to a note.  I need to
> > anchor to a barline in this and many other cases.
>
> The problem with non-numeric \mark:s was solved in 1.3.114.
> It should certainly be possible to insert any TeX code
> as a mark. For example \mark "A$_19$" or
> \mark "\\fbox{B$_25$}". However, as Han-Wen has pointed out
> in some old mail, we should really provide support in
> Lilypond to get a square or a circle around all marks,
> preferably using some small postscript routine.
>
>
> > Again, this is a special case of a general problem: text anchoring is 
> > insufficient.  I need to be able to put
> different kinds of
> > text below, above, and way above the staff, (perhaps all three at once) and 
> > all these distinct from articulation
> marks, in such a
> > way that they don't interfere with one another.  I have not had any luck 
> > getting more than the simplest tempo marking
> up, unless
> > for example I go to the extent of creating a separate invisible staff and 
> > putting s2^"my happy text" all over the place.  I got
> > complicated jazz chord changes to print that way.
>
> Exactly what problem are you trying to solve using the invisible
> staffs? Is it the different padding or the different font styles?
> Now with the new font selection scheme, you can have separate
> font styles for every text script in a convenient way defining
> your own short-hand macros for each style if they're not
> predefined.
>
> > How difficult would it be to just have a special kind of invisible staff 
> > explicitly for text markings that would be
> kinder to the
> > layout than the usual defaults?  It would be nicer for extracting parts 
> > since you only want one rehearsal mark on the
> score, but
> > always when printing parts.
>
> I've used invisible voices for this purpose and found it
> fairly convenient, see for example the N.W.Gade uverture at
> the GMD score archive. What do you want nicer?
>
> Some people use Lyrics lines for textual annotations.
>
> (Sorry to sound critical, I'm just trying to to find out more
> exactly what you request.)
>
>      /Mats
>