Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew

[Ruben Safir]

The core of these people are at LISA and April in Bordeaux?

I'm just curious.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 07:39:15AM +0200, Jean Louis wrote:
> * Alexandre François Garreau <address@hidden> [2019-10-10 07:24]:
> > You seem to be pretty upset.  You know, we can discuss that in a rigorous, 
> > factual and rigorous way off-lists, before you calm down a bit, and then 
> > see 
> > what to do.  That’s surely the better for both of sides, especially rms’ 
> > one.
> > 
> > I’ll answer more in detail later.
> 
> Sure I am upset that defamation and slander of RMS is going on on his
> own web pages!
> 
> I am not upset of defamation and slander outside of GNU.ORG domain. I
> am upset that it is going on by funding from FSF, on the GUIX.GNU.ORG
> and GNU.ORG domains.
> 
> That is the subject.
> 
> If those people would not bring hatred in community, biased
> generalizations, I would not say anything. If they would bring actual
> facts, I would not say anything.
> 
> Before publishing any comment on their statement:
> https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
> I have contacted them on the IRC chat and by private email, as I have
> not genuinely know what is going on.
> 
> So the  question that I have made was to show me some facts "that
> Stallman’s behavior over the years has undermined a core value of the
> GNU project: the empowerment of all computer users. GNU is not
> fulfilling its mission when the behavior of its leader alienates a
> large part of those we want to reach out to." -- as to me that
> statements sounds like blatant low life type of science fiction.
> 
> I have asked for facts. Ludovic Courtès told me it is abort() joke. So
> it is not a fact, but his impression that RMS shall not make such
> jokes, and that such joke is way higher priority then anything else
> that RMS has done for mankind.
> 
> And because they are defaming and slandering by using money as created
> by RMS, as he created GNU, then FSF, then people support FSF, and now
> is this money used to defame and slander person who has done most for
> free software -- and because of that OF COURSE I AM X$%*&#X UPSET!
> 
> It is a normal human reaction.
> 
> If I would not be upset, I would either not be aware of RMS's work and
> deeds or I would be ignorant or simply hostile or similar.
> 
> I am human who is aware of RMS's works, deeds, contribution to the
> planet and I am not hostile to Guix, in fact I came to them to first
> ask them about facts, and I never knew at that momen that I would ever
> be writing this much.
> 
> I am asking those people who are pretending to represent all of the
> GNU project and who are defaming and slandering RMS[1] to step down
> and resign, do your software hacking somewhere else, you do not
> deserve funding that RMS is giving you. Ludovic Courtès, Ricardo
> Wurmus, Matt Lee, Andreas Enge, Samuel Thibault, Carlos O'Donell, Andy
> Wingo, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso, Mark Wielaard, Ian Lance Taylor,
> Werner Koch, Daiki Ueno, Christopher Lemmer Webber, Jan Nieuwenhuizen,
> John Wiegley, Tom Tromey, Jeff Law, Han-Wen Nienhuys, Joshua Gay, Ian
> Jackson, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice, Andrej Shadura, Zack Weinberg, John
> W. Eaton, RESIGN and step down from GNU projects, disassociate
> yourself, find another house for your excessive and uncrontollable
> fear of the free speech.
> 
> Facts:
> https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/
> https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/
> https://gnu.support/richard-stallman/Ludovic-Court%C3%A8s-Guix-is-accusing-Stallman-of-Thoughtcrime-on-his-own-domain-GNU-org.html
> 
> 
> Jean
> 

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