Re: (Really) Free Software future

[Alexander Vdolainen]

Hi again,

On 10/14/19 9:59 PM, Jesse Gibbons wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 21:32 +0300, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 10/14/19 9:16 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 18:52 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
>>
>> (skipped)
>>
>>> For example, no aspect of either GNOME or systemd are proprietary,
>>> using the common meaning of the term.  Also, "lock-in" usually refers
>>> to software that prevents users from switching to an alternative; GNOME
>>> and systemd are certainly not lock-in.
>>
>> I'm afraid but I cannot agree with that. Actually with systemd design
>> you have 'lock-in', because in some cases you need to modify a source
>> code to support systemd (or you will face something like this -
>> https://superuser.com/questions/1372963/how-do-i-keep-systemd-from-killing-my-tmux-sessions).
>> Also, a lot of system daemons has eaten by systemd (and to make it works
>> some forks were created like eudev).
>> Finally, correct me if I wrong, but GNOME 3.8 and newer requires systemd
>> to run, it's a lock-in isn't it ?
> I'm assuming by GNOME you mean gnome-shell. Please let me know if I'm
> incorrect.

yep.

> 
> Guix has packaged gnome-shell 3.30.2 but has not packaged systemd.
> If systemd was a requirement for gnome-shell guix would have had to package
> systemd in order for gnome-shell to compile and/or work, by definition of
> requirement.
> gnome-shell builds and works just fine in guix.

it's a good point. But as I understood a special fork of logind (elogind
or something similar required).

> It follows that systemd is not a prerequisite for gnome-shell 3.30.2.

yep, you can emulate it somehow :) but, I'm just happy without gnome,
let's assume 'gnome case' isn't a lock-in.

> 
> Please consider this a friendly correction :)

ok, got it :)

> 

-- 
Alexander Vdolainen,
Evil contractor.

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