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Re: [Gnugeneration-discuss] [FC-discuss] What ideas do you have for dire

From: Tekk
Subject: Re: [Gnugeneration-discuss] [FC-discuss] What ideas do you have for direct action techniques to further free software and free culture?
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:08:17 -0400

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:51:51 -0400
Ted Smith <address@hidden> wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 11:22 -0500, Karl Fogel wrote:
> > Tekk <address@hidden> writes:
> > >Actually yes, it could certainly be a good idea to point out that
> > >allowing that could certainly be akin to giving them a specific
> > >right to harm others. Especially given that many people in the bsd
> > >communities seem to be of the (US, not aware of how other
> > >countries' parties are,) libertarian persuasion. I don't think
> > >many of them have a problem with the concept of "Your right to
> > >swing your arms around ends at my face."
> > 
> > FWIW, there's a growing realization in libertarian circles that both
> > copyrights and patents are incompatible with liberatarian
> > principles. This idea used to be a minority viewpoint within
> > libertarianism, but that's changing.  The Center for the Study of
> > Innovative Freedom ( is one good place to follow
> > this argument.  So is
> > 
> > You don't have to be a libertarian to see the value of working with
> > principled allies on this.  There does seem to be strong libertarian
> > presence in the tech community in general, especially in the U.S.
> > and especially in the open source community, perhaps tilting toward
> > BSD licensing but I think there's recognition among libertarians
> > that the question of whether non-copyleft or copyleft licenses are
> > more compatible with libertarianism is actually rather complex.
> > 
> > -Karl
> Most of the "libertarians" (really reformist evangelical
> pro-capitalists, not libertarian in the original sense of the word)
> I've talked to about this are steadfastly against the GPL, and just
> think that copyright monopolies should be abolished.
> This is a very good example of how optimizing for an abstractly "free"
> market and the common good yield very different results (everything is
> public domain vs. the GPL).

Actually I'd be rather interested in seeing how everything works out
given copyright abolishment wrt software. Obvious requirement being
that you'd need to release source code, otherwise pd is rather useless.

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