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Re: [GNUnet-developers] Communication

From: Lluís Batlle i Rossell
Subject: Re: [GNUnet-developers] Communication
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:43:48 +0100
User-agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)

Hello gpg signers,

I take the oportunity to insist once again that seeing the developers actually
use gnunet for something would be a very good marketing for new users to come
and test the software, be it releases or trunk.

Providing a tarball, and expecting other people to gather and start to share
files, from scratch, for me it looks like a difficult path. If the developers
are using the file sharing, or participate with nodes, and then newcomers can
simply *join* that mesh and can actually have some talk about *that* mesh in
irc, it's a much more welcome path.

My proposal to tg long ago was that developers should share things (meeting
notes, code excerpts, etc.) with gnunet links over irc. That will give watchers
the hook to do something to keep on watching. Take it as a videogame; you want
to see? Then you have to play using our software. That's similar to ludo

The current approach of "find yourself a friend to test with, or test it alone
in your own computers" discourages people like me, for example. :) The greatest
defeat being the download of the GPL3 text.

But maybe users like me are not desired, or people reporting problems aren't
desired either, with the current code state. Then I'd understand better; but
that's not the message I understand when I see "new version released!" or "new
version to be pushished soon".


On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:47:24AM +0100, Christian Grothoff wrote:
> On 01/16/2015 10:16 AM, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> > Bart Polot <address@hidden> skribis:
> > 
> >> I agreed, we should start dog-fooding as soon as it's ready: use
> >> gnunet-conversation + multicast (!) instead of mumble.
> > 
> > Dog-fooding means precisely that you don’t wait until it’s “ready”.  ;-)
> Well, but I think it doesn't quite mean you try to have a group
> conversation over a 1:1 channel ;-).  My definition of 'ready' just
> means that there is at least code for it ;-).
> > I’ve had my share of dog food with Guix, and I think it’s very valuable.
> > It would be nice to host source code releases, documents, etc. on
> > GNUnet’s AFS or something like that, and possibly have a Web gateway
> > just to show people what it’s like (I remember Zooko hosted his blog on
> > Tahoe long ago.)
> That's not dog-fooding, as we obviously don't download the GNUnet TGZ
> very much. Just posting GNUnet code or documents on GNUnet doesn't make
> *us* use it, it just forces others that want to learn about the system
> to use it first.
> And for source code *development*, we need version control, and that is
> again simply not existing in AFS.
> Anyway, I do think using gnunet-conversation instead of the phone as
> soon as possible (for 1:1 conversations among developers) would be good.

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