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Re: Encrypting to a public key?
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Cy |
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Re: Encrypting to a public key? |
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Mon, 6 Jul 2020 23:45:16 +0000 |
On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 21:05:13 +0200
"Schanzenbach, Martin" <mschanzenbach@posteo.de> wrote:
> more commonly you
> use the ECDSA keys to derive a symmetric encryption key.
> Basically, you use ephemeral ECDH to do that:
Thanks for letting me know! I was aware of ECDH, but it requires a lot more
interaction
than I'm comfortable with. A public encryption key, I can passively publish,
but I
believe Diffie-Hellman keys have to be recreated on the spot every time.
> 2. Calculate ECDH (d, P_bob) => x // x is your seed for a symmetric AES key
See the P_bob is the problem because "ephemeral" public keys are not secure to
reuse, for
reasons I don't completely understand. So unless I seriously misunderstand, DH
is more
like this:
1. Ask Bob (without encryption or authentication) for a new P_bob
2. Wait for Bob to send it to you and do nothing.
3. Bob generates a P_bob and sends it to you.
4. Now Bob has to wait around and do nothing.
5. Calculate ECDH(d, P_bob)
6. Encrypt your data using HKDF(x) // HKDF is a key derivation function
7. Transfer Enc(x, DATA) and P to bob
8. Bob calculates ECDH (d_Bob, P) => x
9. Bob decrypts using HKDF(x)
10. Now you both know the same shared secret.
With a public encryption key, it goes more like this:
1. Download Bob's public key from a CHK or something while he's asleep.
2. Encrypt a random session key to his public encryption key.
3. Send it to him.
4. Bob decrypts and gets the shared secret.
5. Now you both know the shared secret.
Diffie-Hellman's extra interactions are negligible over a reliable, low latency
connection, so they just do that without worry. But for high latency
communication, I'd
prefer an authentication system that doesn't require both parties wait for each
other to
generate data. And for privacy purposes, I'd prefer to avoid generating keys on
demand,
as that would prove to third parties that I'm online, whether I approve of
their knowing
that or not.
Anyway yes I'll probably just use libgcrypt directly then, or libsodium, if I
want to
make a more high latency friendly secret sharing scheme.
like in this thingy:
https://doc.libsodium.org/public-key_cryptography/authenticated_encryption
> crypto_box_easy(ciphertext, sharedsecret, sharedsecret_len, nonce,
> bob_publickey, alice_secretkey)
- Encrypting to a public key?, Cy, 2020/07/06
- Re: Encrypting to a public key?, Schanzenbach, Martin, 2020/07/06
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- Re: Encrypting to a public key?, Schanzenbach, Martin, 2020/07/07
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- Re: Encrypting to a public key?, Cy, 2020/07/08