Re: unsuitable protocols and standards that block innovation

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On 3/14/24 09:56, Sahil wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for the delayed response. I was trying to wrap my head around
> this.
> > I mean, do XMPP message and IQ stanzas really provide a lot
> > more than what bare XML would do? Also, isn't the industry
> > standard in this field called JSON, which also has its defects, as
> > shown in the PSYC benchmark, but it's less bad than XML?
> >
> > It makes sense to implement this XEP if you're already a XMPP
> > client developer, not if you're wondering whether to use XMPP
> > at all. De facto the majority of people will continue using
> > Whatsapp and such, even if they're in the same LAN.
> >
> > Within GNUnet instead, you can't just do worldwide broadcasts
> > using "Multicast DNS", but GNS should be able to do a similar
> > job as the one described in the XEP, indeed.
> This is a little difficult for me to grasp. My lack of familiarity with
> this and GNUnet is only adding to the difficulty. I should definitely
> dive deeper into these topics before asking more questions. I hope
> much of my confusion will fade away once I familiarize myself with
> the topics dicussed previously in this thread.
To add to this, XMPP is designed to be extensible so adding a GNS XEP 
(These are standard extensions of XMPP) is not a big problem. Like 
websockets, p2p, quic, or jingle (which is where webrtc came from and is 
native to XMPP for multimedia streams) also did before.

And outside of that xmpp gives you many benefits even if you dont use 
DNS or servers. Mainly because you are going to encounter problems that 
have already been solved by XMPP. Like:

- How do I deliver offline messages

- How do I share sticker packs

- How do I make calls and do multimedia stream negotiation

- How do I do group chats

among others.


What I would probably be looking to implement something with XMPP and 
Gnunet (and I am already looking in) is using Spritely to actually 
handle the the security and distributed nature of things. Stuff like 
capabilities, message passing and network backends (which gnunet can be 
implemented as).

Spritely as in: https://spritely.institute/


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