Re: Moving the bug system to GNA....

[Gregory Casamento]

Banlu,

Given that real-life users have complained to me that having the
project essentially split in two being confusing not withstanding....

I don't agree with your assessment that it will make things harder.

I simply would like to have things in one place.   Right now we're
spread between GNA and Savannah.   Hell, it may even be easier to move
the source back to savannah.   But at that point I'm agreeing with
Fred that I would rather see any time put into this spent actually
fixing bugs.

I simply suggested it because I thought it might make things easier
for new developers who don't have a clue where everything is and are
trying to understand the GNUstep ecosystem.   Do yourselves a favor...
 pretend you're a new user someday and take a look at how things are
set up presuming that you don't have the historical knowledge that you
do about the project.   Or better yet, find a friend who knows nothing
about GNUstep and ask them to spend a few minutes trying to figure out
where everything is and how to navigate the project to get started
helping us to develop it.

I think you'll be unpleasantly surprised to find out that GNUstep is
not as easy to get into as it could be and that this forms a barrier
to entry.  When I worked with a company out in Illinois, one of the
devs there was very interested in GNUstep.   He said that the sites
are confusing and that it's not immediately apparent where to find
everything.  Also he said that GNUstep itself was difficult to
configure because the dependencies are poorly documented.   It took an
experienced developer three days to figure GNUstep out with a little
help from me.

I found this to be surprising and disheartening.   If we really care
about getting new developers and revitalizing this project, then some
changes need to happen.  Not necessarily this one, but changes
nonetheless.

GC

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Banlu Kemiyatorn <address@hidden> wrote:
> I like the idea but I doubt it would make users life easier. For instance, a
> user found a bug and google for it and will end up with mixed of two site,
> asking themselves which one to use. The search for existing bugs by site
> interface could also be dupped efforts. Nonetheless, I support the move.
> Why? Because making life a bit harder and not too much could be productive.
> Spending more time searching and reading could help improving the quality of
> the reports, dont't get lazy!
>
>
> --
> Sent from my GNU/Linux N900
>
> ----- Original message -----
>> David just corrected me... savannah is FSF, gna is FSF-E.  I don't
>> care about organizational stuff... I just care about making things
>> easier for users.
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Gregory Casamento
>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>> > Riccardo,
>> >
>> > GNA is a GNU/FSF server just the same as savannah...  there's nothing
>> > special about savannah at all.   The disadvantage to moving the
>> > sources back is that people would have to alter their SVN repositories
>> > to point to Savannah and it would be disruptive.
>> >
>> > Simply moving bug tracking to GNA would reduce confusion as to where
>> > the project is located.  I would like to get rid of the project on
>> > savannah because it causes some amount of confusion when people go
>> > looking for GNUstep.
>> >
>> > GC
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Riccardo Mottola
>> > <address@hidden> wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > I don't think it is a good idea, we are a gnu idea. I never liked
>> > > our move to GNA and if the division irritates you, we should move
>> > > the sources back home. It was done back then because GNA had svn
>> > > support before gnu savannah...
>> > >
>> > > my 2 cents,
>> > > R
>> > >
>> > > On 05/23/2011 01:08 AM, Gregory Casamento wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hey guys,
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm thinking about moving the bug system to GNA at the moment.  It
>> > > > seems silly to have the code in one place and the bug system in the
>> > > > other.
>> > > >
>> > > > The move would simply be to keep the old system active for all
>> > > > currently open bugs and to open only new bugs on the new system.
>> > > > This would allow a transition to the new system, albeit a slow one.
>> > > >
>> > > > GC
>> > >
>> > >
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>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
>>
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