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Re: NMEA time oscillates


From: Steven Sommars
Subject: Re: NMEA time oscillates
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:44:36 -0600

Gary,

Thanks for the reply.  I'm a fan of gpsd, but haven't needed to delve in the details previously.
Hope this isn't a waste of your time.

> Why are you using NMEA on a u-blox board?
I'm using whatever gpsd decides to use.  gpspipe shows $GPGBS $GPGGA $GPGSA  $GPGSV  $GPRMC $GPZDA

>> Using gpsd git head the NMEA offset oscillates between about 140 msec
>> (duration ~440 sec) and then 580 msec (duration ~440 sec).
>Normal.
Normal??   Not from what I've seen.

>The PPS is keeping your time accurate, ignore the NMEA time.
Two problems with this.  Some people use NMEA timestamps without PPS.   [I know this is suboptimal]

Using PPS + ntpd with gpsd git-head gives noticeable poor results.  I've seen over 1 msec offsets.

ntpshmmon and ntpd agree that the GPS NMEA arrival time stamp suddenly changes
::: DATE 2021-03-13 01:06:05
     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset   jitter
===============================================================================
x127.127.28.0    .GPS.            0 u    6   16  377    0.000  -37.437    1.589
x127.127.22.0    .PPS.            0 u    4   16  377    0.000    0.012    0.003
 10.1.10.95      .GPS.            1 u   10   16  377    0.171    0.036    0.006
 10.1.10.96      10.1.10.95       2 u    9   16  377    0.236    0.030    0.042
::: DATE 2021-03-13 01:06:15
     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset   jitter
===============================================================================
x127.127.28.0    .GPS.            0 u    -   16  377    0.000 -464.747  425.979
x127.127.22.0    .PPS.            0 u   14   16  377    0.000    0.012    0.003
 10.1.10.95      .GPS.            1 u    4   16  377    0.171    0.036    0.007
 10.1.10.96      10.1.10.95       2 u    3   16  377    0.287    0.045    0.030

FWIW, ntpd=ntpd ntpsec-1.2.0 2021-03-12T16:35:34Z.  
ntp.conf
driftfile /var/lib/ntpsec/ntp.drift
leapfile /usr/share/zoneinfo/leap-seconds.list
refclock shm unit 2 minpoll 4 maxpoll 4 refid PPS
refclock shm unit 0 minpoll 4 maxpoll 4 time1 0.108 refid GPS
server 10.1.10.95  minpoll 4 maxpoll 4  noselect
server 10.1.10.96  minpoll 4 maxpoll 4  noselect
restrict default kod nomodify nopeer noquery limited
restrict 127.0.0.1
restrict ::1

However, gpspipe -r -uu time stamps do not agree with shmmon.
GPGSV  arrives with between 0.430 and 0.492 offset.
all other sentences arrive with between 0.134 and 0.150 offset.
 
If this behavior is expected, I can downgrade to 3.20 and continue with my tests.


Steve Sommars



 

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