Re: man Macro Package and pdfmark

[John Gardner]

> ???  Have you actually used stand-alone `info` recently?  In its
> standard configuration, you only need the arrow keys together with the
> enter key to navigate.

That's not what I'm talking about. In Emacs, I'm used to smashing `c-h o`
to bring up the documentation for the symbol at point. In info(1), I've no
idea where or what to even begin searching for to find a symbol's
documentation. info(1) without Emacs feels like a fish out of the water.

To Texinfo's credit, it *is* decent at producing well-structured and neatly
typeset manuals (going by my copy of *Programming in Emacs Lisp*, which was
generated from Texinfo). Its output is, IMHO, best when it's confined to
one long page (for easier searching); I have the HTML versions of GNU
manuals bookmarked for that reason.

However, none of the above merits can't already be achieved with a
well-written macro package in Troff, either.



On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 20:38, Werner LEMBERG <address@hidden> wrote:

>
> >> The info stuff alienates anyone who is not an emacs fan
> >
> > The standalone info(1) program, though?  Please.  I'm not going to
> > learn a second set of keybindings just to navigate online help.
>
> ???  Have you actually used stand-alone `info` recently?  In its
> standard configuration, you only need the arrow keys together with the
> enter key to navigate.  The tab key also works quite similar to most
> GUI applications to move from one field to the next.  As with `less`,
> the space key moves one page down, the backspace key one page up.  You
> press 's' to do a search.  For compatibility with `less`, you can even
> press the '/' key to start a search.
>
> >> The info stuff alienates anyone who is not an emacs fan.
>
> This might have been true ten years ago, but it definitely is no
> longer today.  Please, I ask everyone to do a fact check before
> stating things that are simply not true.
>
> I won't say more on this topic.  We are on a groff list.
>
>
>     Werner
>