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Re: TPM support within Grub2

From: Philip Tricca
Subject: Re: TPM support within Grub2
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:22:01 -0700
User-agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12)

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:33:42PM -0400, Daniel P. Smith wrote:
> On 07/16/2018 08:06 AM, Daniel Kiper wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 02, 2018 at 06:35:08PM +0200, Daniel Kiper wrote:
> >> Hi Daniel,
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 01, 2018 at 07:09:30PM -0400, Daniel P. Smith wrote:
> >>> Greetings,
> >>>
> >>> I have a measured boot implementation I have been working on that
> >>> introduces a DRTM relocator that I would like to eventually upstream.
> >>> This work does rely on the ability to access a TPM 1.2 chip from within
> >>> Grub2. I am aware of Matthew Garrett's pending patch to add core TPM
> >>> support[1] but that is limited to UEFI environments. My target
> >>> environment uses Coreboot with the TCG BIOS payload to launch the
> >>> environment. For TPM support I am using code picked out of the
> >>> TrustedGRUB2 fork[2]. As a precursor to upstreaming my DRTM relocator, I
> >>> would like to see if I could find a way to generically introduce TPM
> >>> support into Grub2 that support's Matthew's UEFI backend, TrustedGrub2's
> >>> TPM 1.2 raw I/O, as well as leave a path for TPM2 raw I/O. In both
> >>> implementations TPM support is include as an x86 device when in fact
> >>> they can also be found in ARM devices, which is on my wish list of
> >>> future devices I would like to support. With all of this in mind, I
> >>> wanted to open a discussion on the best way to implement generic TPM
> >>> support. In Matthew's approach TPM is implemented under
> >>> grub-core/commands while TrustedGRUB2 is split between grub-core/kern
> >>> and grub-core/tpm. IMHO TPM functionality should be divided into HW
> >>> interfaces, TPM command processing, and higher order TPM operations. If
> >>> the logic was segmented in this manner, what are other's opinions on
> >>> where segments of logic should reside within the Grub2 source tree?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>> [2]
> > 
> > In general I am not against reorganization you are mentioning above.
> > Though I think that then you should rearange Matthew code and repost
> > it. Of course if Matthew does not object.
> I can align Matthew's code or if he would like, he is more than welcome
> to collaborate on the solution.
> > Another thing is the verifiers framework. It would be nice if you could
> > hook your work there. Though you have to remember about other users like
> > UEFI secure boot 
> > (;
> > I am going to revive work on this patch) or GPG signatures. So, please
> > take a look at that code at git://,
> > phcoder/verifiers branch. If it works for you I will post the patches,
> > with minor fixes and improvements which are worth doing, for review (of
> > course if Vladimir does not object). If you discover any issues with the
> > verifiers framework just drop me a line and then we will try to fix them.
> Yes, I figured I would be using the verifier framework. The only
> suggestion I would have based on my work is that I am going to have to
> establish a TPM event log since I will be doing raw IO with the TPM. I
> think it would be useful if the verifier framework had an event log
> component that verifier modules could log events that they want to have
> passed to the OS kernel being booted. For an example of how to pass the
> log along to the OS kernel, for TrenchBoot the plan is to pass via the
> setup data boot protocol field of Linux. For mutliboot kernels, the log
> could easily be passed as a mb module. Let me know what you think.
> > And another thing... Could not we reuse Philip TPM 2.0 work in GRUB2 
> > somehow?
> Phil's work is dealing with the TSS/TIS software layers which provide
> higher abstractions over the TPM.

This is false. The APIs from the TSS are ignorant of and unrelated to
the TIS. Further, the "System API" has a 1:1 correspondence with
TPM2 commands effectively providing no abstraction beyond the
serialization of C types to / from the TPM2 command / response byte
stream. This is why we recommend that only firmware and "expert"
applications use it directly.


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