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Re: [PATCH] Remove HFS support

From: Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove HFS support
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 21:45:07 +0200

Le ven. 19 août 2022, 21:05, Dimitri John Ledkov <> a écrit :
There is no need for that code on any signed grubs or upstream. Ports that want to support this patch can have it conditionally compiled / enabled only on that arch, but not other.

For example, in Ubuntu we already use separate builds for signed & unsigned bootloaders. Or one may keep grub-2.06 as separate source package. It's not like those old platforms need any new features in the bootloader ever again.

The issue of insecure code is for signed bootloaders. Because there is a separate level of protection that prevents replacing arbitrary bootloaders (whilst potentially allow downgrade/upgrade attacks). Thus a responsible upstream should drop this code.

This kind of consideration was taken into account when designing security system and even when GRUB2 itself was designed. The solution is modules whitelist. There are many modules that can be dropped from signed build not just filesystems but also commands or loaders. There is no need to cut old systems from new grub if existing infrastructure can handle it.

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022, 20:39 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz, <> wrote:
On 8/19/22 20:09, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 04:03:38PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>>> On Aug 19, 2022, at 3:59 PM, Daniel Kiper <> wrote:
>>> If I do not hear any major objections in the following weeks I will
>>> merge this patch or a variant of it in the second half of September.
>> We’re still formatting our /boot partitions for Debian PowerPC for
>> PowerMacs using HFS, so this change would be a breaking change for
>> us.
>> So, that would be a no from Debian’s side.
> Not so fast please, Adrian. At the risk of sounding harsh, non-release
> old ports like powerpc *really* don't get to dictate things in Debian
> terms.

Add "Ports" to this.

> As Daniel Axtens has been finding out, the HFS code is terrible in
> terms of security. If you still need it for old/semi-dead machines,
> maybe you should fork an older grub release and stay with that?

I don't know what should be the deal with the security of a boot loader
to be honest. If someone has access to your hardware so they can control
your bootloader, you have much worse problems anyway.

Forking is also a terrible idea as every forked package means having to
track it manually.


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