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Re: Ideas for a Guile tutorial to go with the new site

From: BCG
Subject: Re: Ideas for a Guile tutorial to go with the new site
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:45:10 -0400
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On 10/19/2015 12:29 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
Amirouche Boubekki writes:

To the contrary I think it's not a good idea to start upfront the
tutorial with which editor should be used is a good way to loose half of
the readers, because they will feel more uncomfortable and not up to the
task. To be useful emacs requires one 'Getting Started' tutorial in
itself. Or anykind of setup for that matter. The tutorial should go as
quickly as possible to the matter and start with coding.

I started a tutorial at I don't introduce
readline until the user knows what the REPL is. Part 1 is all done in
REPL. I subtly introduce emacs as a good choice for an editor in part 2
which is done in an editor. But doesn't enforce it.
Okay, sorry if I wasn't being clear... my goal in that section would be
to encourage everyone who *isn't already an emacs user* to pick up a
simple editor and know how to use that with Guile, but them give them a
brief tip that they want to look into Emacs + Geiser once they've dived
in a bit more deeply.

I don't think this section needs to be too long.  I agree it should not
be overwhelming.

Personally I would appreciate a not-so-brief tip. Most resources on the web about coding in scheme seem to claim that emacs is the best environment for it, but rarely go into the reasoning about why or provide a focused way to get started with it. I'd be happy to try out those tools, but it hardly is worth it to me to slog through the emacs tutorial just to see if I like whatever advantages it may have for coding Scheme.

After so many years of vi muscle memory I just can't find justification to slow down my productivity and learn emacs... but I wouldn't mind doing it just for Guile coding where I'm not really productive yet anyways - especially if there was getting started guide focused on that with pointers to other resources for a deeper dive if I like it.

Even if I didn't end up switching to emacs for everything, I may find that I want to use it just for Scheme... just like I fire up Eclipse when I want to work on Java, but I don't bother using Eclipse for anything else

It doesn't seem like a suggestion for a development environment should distract too much from a tutorial, but maybe that is too much to expect when your audience includes hackers. ;)

Just my opinion, which is worth what you paid for it.

-- Ben

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