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Re: [Whonix-devel] GNU Guix Questions

From: bancfc
Subject: Re: [Whonix-devel] GNU Guix Questions
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 00:59:08 +0000
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On 2017-03-06 17:15, ng0 wrote:
Hi bancfc,

Hi ng0, great to see you here :)

On 17-03-06 16:14:08, address@hidden wrote:
Hi Guix devs, I am a privacy distro dev and we are looking at using Guix in
our OS. I have a few questions:

* Is the Guix package archive available from a Tor hidden service? There are many advantages of updating a system over Tor such as preventing a target
adversary from fingerprinting and targeting hosts that run vulnerable
packages and protecting systems in case the package manager has a security bug. Debian and Tor now provide onion mirrors for their packages. Can you
please consider doing the same?

As far as I know this might be discussed currently at GNU
sysadministration level,
at least that's the last info I got when I suggested this last week to
There is an onion mirror which is run by another community. It doesn't
mirror yet (where guix binaries are located), but it plans
to do so. I need to get in touch with the community to ask wether they
would be okay with more bandwidth.
Do you have an estimation on how high your usage would be for the guix
download from the onion mirror?

The amount for bandwidth is approximately the size of GNUnet x 15K users. Later on we will expand the selection to include Tor Browser once you package it - if that pans out that would be a massive achievement. The Torproject have discussed packaging it for years but they couldn't work it out because of the breakneck speed of development and the cumbersome process of creating Debian packages. Meanwhile anonymity distros were forced to come up with a workaround safe downloader mechanism in absence of a package fecthable from a package manager. Its been a high maintenance effort over the years and a Guix package would finally solve this.

Another "wishlist" package would be GNU-libre kernel that includes the Grsecurity patchset so we can include that out of the box instead of requiring users to manually patch and tweak settings with every (weekly) new upstream release.

I realize I'm going offtopic but its really exciting to finally find a better way to package things.

* Does Guix defend against the variety of attacks described in the TUF
threat model document? (described in link below) How resilient is it against key compromise? (TUF was designed from the ground up to provide a highly resilient and secure update framework as a drop in replacement to crappy standalone updaters - a problem that's become very serious for proprietary OSes. The security research and implementation behind it are an excellent
rubric that one can apply to any updater/package manager.)

* How does one setup a third part package archive? After looking at the
manual I believe its as simple as fetching source from one's git repo?

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