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Re: Gnus and outgoing Mail

From: Thierry Volpiatto
Subject: Re: Gnus and outgoing Mail
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:35:25 +0100
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux)

Sven Bretfeld <address@hidden> writes:

> Thierry Volpiatto <address@hidden> writes:
>> Are you sure port 25 with starttls is right? (i use 587 with gmail)
> I think so. AFAIK port 587 is used when the authentication is not in
> clear text, but encoded via SSL or TLS. This is the German
> documentation of gmx concerning the configuration of Thunderbird:
> In "Schritt 7" (step 7) it has a screenshot that shows the settings:
> server-name:, port: 25, secure connection: never. 
>> What do you have in "~/emacs-stuff/mailauth"?
>> (you can write the content of this file directly like below)
> I (this means my friend) haven't used a credentials file but set the
> login information directly in .gnus.el. This is what it looks like:
> ;; Use gmx smtp server
>   (message "Using gmx smtp server")
>   (setq starttls-use-gnutls t
>        starttls-gnutls-program "gnutls-cli"
>        starttls-extra-arguments nil)
>   (setq smtpmail-local-domain nil
>        send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
>        message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
>        message-send-mail-partially-limit nil
>        smtpmail-default-smtp-server ""
>        smtpmail-smtp-server ""
>        smtpmail-debug-info t
>        smtpmail-debug-verb t
>        smtpmail-auth-credentials 
>         '(("" 25 "GMX_USERNAME" "GMX_PASSWORD"))
>        smtpmail-starttls-credentials 
>         '(("" 25 nil nil))
>        smtpmail-smtp-server "" )
>  (setq user-full-name "Stjepan Beles")
>  (setq user-mail-address "address@hidden")
>> Here is my config with gmail if it can help:
>> (setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
>> (setq smtpmail-starttls-credentials '(("" 587 nil nil)))
>> (setq smtpmail-auth-credentials '(("" 587 
>> "my_email_adress" "my_password")))
>> (setq smtpmail-default-smtp-server "")
>> (setq smtpmail-smtp-server "")
>> (setq smtpmail-smtp-service 587)
> Looks quite similar apart from the port number.
> I have the impression that setting starttls-use-gnutls to non-nil is
> the wrong way. Except the gmx folks write nonsense in their
> documentation (what can be the case anyway). But it didn't work before
> either.
> A different idea. Is is possible that the MTA (exim4) doesn't allow
> passwords to be send away in clear text, which is a damn security risk
> anyway. Should we try to install sendmail instead? I still don't know
> how I can find out if the error occurs in Emacs or in exim. The
> *Messages* buffer isn't very informative in this case.

I never use exim but may be you can test with nbsmtp that is very light, 
support starttls and have nothing to configure, you just call sendmail 
from gnus and go! 
I have used it with -no starttls protocol- also and it worked fine.

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