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Re: Mail posting in newsgroups in Gnus

From: Jude DaShiell
Subject: Re: Mail posting in newsgroups in Gnus
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 23:06:43 -0400 (EDT)
User-agent: Alpine 2.20 (NEB 67 2015-01-07)

The internet standard for email message delivery is to try for 240 hours or 10 days whichever comes first then return delivery error report to the sender if delivery has failed in those 240 hours or 10 days. It was designed that way since the internet's original purpose was to survive a nuclear attack.

On Fri, 13 May 2016, Bob Proulx wrote:

Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 20:55:18
From: Bob Proulx <>
To: N. Raghavendra <>
Subject: Re: Mail posting in newsgroups in Gnus

N. Raghavendra wrote:
I read the mailing lists I am subscribed to as newsgroups through Gmane.

Many people do.  All good and okay.

Lately, I've been having problems with posting through Gmane --- posts
don't reach the mailing list for several hours, first postings to a list
don't trigger an auto-authorization message from Gmane, etc.

I just want to say here that mail isn't instant messenger or IRC.  It
is a store and forward protocol.  We are so used to mail being
delivered very quickly, almost immediately, that when it isn't
immediate we think something is wrong.  But most of the time
everything is working as designed.  The mail will queue and then retry
and send later.  Plus often the delay is in the mail
queue and there isn't anything we can do about that.

Also no mailing list should send automatic responses.  Because
anyone can mail anything with any return address to a mailing list.
Spammers use that to create "backscatter spam" where either the
message is bounced back to the target vicitim or the target victim is
hit with endless autoreplies from everywhere in a denial of service
attack.  Having autoreplies enabled previously has landed onto the DNSBLs as a bad citizen previously.  Therefore
autoreplies are not allowed.

Also one need not be subscribed in order to post.  GNU mailing lists
are mostly either for bug reports or for getting help such as this
list.  Forcing people to subscribe in order to post a bug report is
too restrictive.  Therefore like most free libre community mailing
lists our lists are open to non-subscribers.  However this means that
we hold all new posters for moderation.  This applies to both
subscribers and non-subscribers alike.  Otherwise there would be too
much spam.

These requirements mean that there is a delay upon initial contact.
But hopefully the subscribers here are happy with the hopefully very
low level of spam to the mailing lists due to these actions.

Your address is both whitelisted and subscribed.  Therefore you have
both posted and have subscribed.  There will be no moderation of your
messages unless you change your address.

So, I am wondering if it is possible to post articles and followups in
Gmane newsgroups by email.

Yes.  It is just email.  However the technicalities you ask about with
gnus are beyond me as I do not know very much about it.

For example, if I am in the summary buffer of the
gmane.emacs.orgmode group, and hit `a', I'd like Gnus to start
composing a mail message to  Similarly, if I
am in the summary buffer of that group and hit "F", I'd like Gnus to
start composing a *mail* reply to the selected article, with as the "To" address.  Is there a way to do

I do not know the answer to your question and leave this to others to

I was reading about group parameters in the manual.  Will setting
to-address and to-list parameters of the gmane.emacs.orgmode group to do what I've described above?  Unfortunately, I
can't test it without spamming the mailing list with test messages.

In theory this is just email, simply needs the In-Reply-To: and
References: set correctly, and that is all.  However I don't know
about the details of the interface you are asking about.  Actually
getting that working might be difficult.  What you are asking about is
normal if one subscribes to the mailing list and replies to the
messages using mail (or gnus) normally.

PS: My apologies if you get multiple copies of this message.  I tried
sending it through Gmane earlier.

Both came through.



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