Re: Newsgroups mailing-list gateway broken thread

[Garreau, Alexandre]

On 2018-10-18 at 12:05, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Garreau, Alexandre wrote:
>
>> After some discussion I’ve realized that in
>> fact mailing traversing the newsgroups
>> mailing-list gateway receive different
>> message-ids in their references, which, in my
>> mail user-agent (gnus) break the threads.
>>
>> I say that because it appears not to break
>> anything on the mailing-list archive web
>> interface (and to affect most if not all of
>> newsgroup posters), so I’d like how does it
>> do (does it have mappings of all correct
>> message-ids to other message-ids?), and how
>> other users of the mailing-list do, or what
>> can be done to improve the situation.
>>
>> Thanks for any information.
>
> (Important note: This post is *not* sent thru
> gnu.emacs.help, but from gmane.emacs.help -
> like I say below, it is 20 times slower. But:
> how do the references look now?)

The references are just fine, they correctly references my message.

> The most likely explanation is that it is
> a glitch in the interface between the newsgroup
> and the mailing list.
>
> I always used gnu.emacs.help, only for a short
> while I used gmane.emacs.help, but for some
> reason it is much slower (to get the summary of
> the new posts), so I switched back to
> gnu.emacs.help.

I expect the newsgroups gateway *should* work.  So this is to fix,
rather than suggesting gmane as a workaround (the issue of it being
slower is a separate issue).

> I have no idea as to what piece of technology
> it is that does the propagation, where it is
> located, who runs is, and so on.

I believe this is be on the GNU side, because I saw references referring
to same garbled message-ids, with “mailman” in them: so if different
newsgroup users, such as Emanual Berg and Barry Margolin gets the same
references while using different gateways to usenet, and this one has
“mailman” in it, I think it is not only common to all newsgroups users
(thus coming from GNU), but also coming from either mailman, either
something interfacing with it, I guess.

The question is why.