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Re: Nonsupported LAN


From: Javier-Elias Vasquez-Vivas
Subject: Re: Nonsupported LAN
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:19:32 -0600

I didn't use the cd's.  I used crossed-install as indicated in the
hurd-install web page I included.  Under debian | ports | hurd you may
found information about the cd's.  If you got only 1 CD, I guess it
contains limited packages.  Any OS without connection is a nightmare,
but specially debian because it's so easy to update with internet
connection that when without it one feels kind of frustated.  You can
always dowload the remaining cd's, but again it's hard to be up to
date...

If you still want to go on with debian/hurd, I strongly suggest you
have debian/hurd whether in a different partition or in a different HD
(different HD is better, but if you have a laptop that might be to
hard/expensive).  That way you can upgrade hurd, not in an easy
fasshion but still can, and you'll have some functionality you don't
have in hurd (hurd is missing lots of drivers yet, for example usb,
sound, graphics rendering, and several user level applications).  So
again, if your a patient guy, go for the apt-offline stuff.  Remember
just to also install debian/linux on the same machine so you can
easily use apt-offline and keep ut to date with latest development in
hurd...

I got to a similar stage you're now.  I cross-installed hurd, got the
hurd terminal working (at the moment I installed only mach console was
available after cross-install), installed some user lever pacakages I
can't live without (vim, tcsh which requires compilation, some stuff
for gcc, and some other non X applications).  I didn't try X because
I'm not willing to go for X updates without direct ethernet
connection, and besides the X server available is from xfree86, and I
want to use only xorg.  I also got mounting/unmounting different
partitions and CD automatically or manually.  All packages
installation and updates I got from apt-offline, so it's way possible.
 But I got tired of rebooting and then I focused on finding out how on
earth to make my nic work, but as I was unsuccessful I decided to wait
for hurd-l4.  So if you want to find out more about was is available
you better get apt-offline working and search the packages through an
apt front-end like dselect or aptitude.

Javier.

On 8/9/05, kevin bullock <address@hidden> wrote:
> Javier-Elias Vasquez-Vivas wrote:
> 
> >If your machine comes with an ethernet card working (of course not
> >under hurd).  And if you could connect to the Internet on the same
> >machine but on different OS in a separate partition/disk.  If that
> >different OS is debian/linux, then there's some documentation you need
> >to read about apt-offline, under:
> >
> >/usr/share/doc/apt-doc/offline.text.gz
> >
> >As I have debian/linux on the same machine then I used that
> >apt-offline documentation, and it worked out.  This is not new, you
> >could have noticed that already under the debian/hurd documentation:
> >
> >http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install
> >
> >Literally it says:
> >
> >"If GNU Mach does not recognize your network card or you use a modem,
> >the only way to upgrade will be to download the packages and then
> >transfer them to the GNU system. The easiest way to do this is to use
> >apt off-line. Refer to `/usr/share/doc/apt-doc/offline.text.gz' for
> >detailed instructions."
> >
> >If you don have 2 OS's installed in your machine, and then your
> >machine is totally offline, then if you have access to the internet in
> >another one you can still use apt-offline to download the packages in
> >that machine and then mount the media you stored the packages on your
> >hurd OS and installed them.  There's an apt-offline software to work
> >not only under debian, but I didn't use it, so you'll have to research
> >on that one if you don't have a debian/linux machine online available,
> >and I think there's even a windoze version also.
> >
> >So the idea of apt-offline is that you can download all packages you
> >need in the other OS, and then just install them into debian/hurd,
> >once you mount the media you downloaded the packages on under
> >debian/hurd.
> >
> >I don't know a way to connect hurd machine with any other machine
> >without ethernet working (not even modem-modem, or laplink through
> >parallel port, or any other mechanism), so the only option I know for
> >offline machine is apt-offline...
> >
> >At any rate, it requires too much patience.  I decided not to use
> >apt-offline.  I asked the list about how to port drivers for my nic,
> >but didn't got answer.  So for me it means I better wait until l4-hurd
> >is up to user level with more drivers available...  But that was my
> >decition, maybe you can live with apt-offline...
> >
> >Javier.
> >
> >
> >On 8/8/05, kevin bullock <address@hidden> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Thank you for the information.
> >>I am not understanding how I set up a remote system.  Via a laplink
> >>cable?  I don't know how to set that up either.
> >>
> >>Hope to hear from you,
> >>Kevin
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> Thank you for the guidance.  I have taken a spare 1.2gb hard drive and
> dedicated it toGNU/Hurd.  I had quite the learning experience just
> getting this far:)  I installed by the GNU/Hurd cd 1 .iso.  Presuming
> that the only way to add programs is by having GNU/Hurd on a separate
> partition with GNU/Linux,  what can I do with my GNU/Hurd box with just
> the cd1 programs installed?
> 
> Enjoying the GNU/Hurd journey,
> Kevin




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