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Re: post-moderating this list

From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Subject: Re: post-moderating this list
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:03:47 -0600
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On 12/21/12 09:46, Sergei Steshenko wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: Francesco Potortì <address@hidden>
To: Octave users list <address@hidden>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:13 PM
Subject: post-moderating this list

I'll try to make this a more structured proposal.

In the last years, traffic on this least has increased, which is a good
sign.  However, discussions who used to be focused on Octave with very
rare off-topic threads are now often becoming tit-for-tats, annoying to
most of us and time-consuming for the developers.

I propose to introduce post-moderation.

For example, this can be implemented by having three post-moderators.
If two of three agree and the third one does not veto, a poster who goes
off-track or who indulges in Octave or free software bashing will be
gently and privately invited to stop after few offending posts.  If the
poster's behaviour does not change after the second warning, the
moderators will propose a one-month ban of the poster to the list

I volunteer to be one of the three moderators, or even a moderator for
some variation of the above proposal.

Francesco Potortì (ricercatore)        Voice:  +39.050.315.3058 (op.2111)
ISTI - Area della ricerca CNR          Mobile: +39.348.8283.107
via G. Moruzzi 1, I-56124 Pisa         Skype:  wnlabisti
(entrance 20, 1st floor, room C71)     Web:

Your proposal is _very_ consistent with authoritarian guru-controlled 
structures behavior. From the link I recently posted: :

In a development eerily reminiscent of the organized hatred directed
against the arch-heretic Emanuel Goldstein in Orwell’s 1984, Rand cultists were 
required to sign a loyalty oath to Rand; essential to the loyalty oath was a 
declaration that the signer would henceforthnever read any future works of the 
apostate and arch-heretic Branden [Rand's number 2]. After the split, any Rand 
cultist seen carrying a
book or writing by Branden was promptly excommunicated.

- the "excommunicated" is/means banned.

And from :

People whose power is based on the surrender of others
develop a repertoire of techniques for deflecting and undermining
anything that questions or challenges their status, behavior,
or beliefs. They ridicule or try to confuse people who ask challenging
questions.” (p.66)

- yes, the status and _behavior_ (e.g. a burst of GPL propaganda instead of 
addressing the real problems) _is_ challenged, and you _react_ to this 

I have a much more general and far going proposal.

I suggest to intensify work on GPL4, and the very first freedom granted by the 
license should be the obligation of GPL4 SW users to send to FSF and GNU a 
notary signed pledge of allegiance in support of FSF/GNU/GPL cause.

GPL4 should also grant unlimited discretionary irrevocable freedom to list 
owners to decide who violates the pledge of allegiance.


Hi Sergei,

This is the octave-help mailing list. It should be a place where people ask technical questions about how to get octave to work properly in their environment. It should be a friendly place, something like the front desk of a car mechanics shop. You should feel greeted by friendly people, with good people skills. The grumpy mechanics, who might otherwise be very talented, should be relegated to the back room. We should recognize that while they may be very important, and in some cases do much of the real work, nevertheless they should not be in the front office greeting customers.

Sergei - I do find a lot of your posts actually quite interesting. But let me suggest that octave-help is not the place to make your opinions known. Or rather, it is OK to make your opinions known, but maybe one or two times is enough.

There are forums where people can argue about things like the legitimacy of GPL licenses, and whether it is really free or not. And your comments about the inadequacies of the American education system have a lot of merit.

But, please, let the octave-help people go. If nothing else, just as a matter of courtesy. Just so that they can give and receive friendly and helpful advice without a huge amount of noise in the background.

If this mailing list decides to ban people from the list for repetitive obnoxious behavior, I have no problem with that. If this were an opinion group I would feel very differently, and I would defend your right to state your points, even if I greatly disagreed with you. But this is not an opinion forum. It is a help forum.

Best regards,

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