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From: Peschko, Edward
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:34:23 -0700

On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 07:02:11PM -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote:
> [ On Wednesday, June 4, 2003 at 13:41:14 (-0700), Peschko, Edward wrote: ]
> > Subject: Re: .cvsignore file being ignored...
> >
> > But that's no good - its error prone,
> Ah, NO, it is definitely _not_ error prone!

It is in the sense that you are forcing people to do extra work.
Extra work == extra possibilities for error. 

> >     and it puts the onus on the user to get it right.  If I'm a cvs
> >administrator working with lots of newbies, I don't want them to
> >clutter up the archive with a bunch of junk.
> "cvs add" is an action that happens only in the workspace and it is
> trivially undone.

argh. people do "cvs add *" all the time. Why not change CVS 
and let them do this, if the administrator doesn't mind?

The 'trivially undone' part isn't the point. The point is that 
you are forcing people to go through extra hoops to get
stuff done, not DWIM. The more trivial hoops you
force on the user, the harder the tool is to use. No 
wonder subversion is catching on fast, and cvs 
isn't being used for the linux tree... 

One trivial hoop might not be bad.
Two trivial hoops, gets annoying.
Three trivial hoops, starts to become a time waster.

and so on, and so on, and so on. CVS has *way* too 
many trivial hoops. The best way is to remove the trivial 
hoops as you find them. Here's a perfect one to start with.

Look, guys, nothing is cast in stone except mindsets. 
How is it 'fundamental', when you are adding a feature,
and it doesn't get in the way of other features? I just don't

As for Kaz, I agree with you. I just want it integrated into 
cvs proper, not force a wrapper to be used in order to give you the
functionality that you need. Hell, if I had my way, I'd integrate *all* 
of MetaCVS' 'basic' features into CVS. Why the hell should
you need to use a wrapper around a wrapper? And why should
you force people to download one?


(ps - if the mailing admin could please track down why the 
email from my other account, address@hidden
is not working in posting to this list, I'd appreciate it. I'm
sure people are going to get sick of '=20', etc. pretty damn fast)

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