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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 34, Issue 11

From: Patrick
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 34, Issue 11
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:20:28 -0400
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Hi Luke, Hi Robert

Thanks for your posts today.

I know I am in the wrong place now. I will be unsubscribing soon.

I am going to try the OSI(it doesn't seem I can subscribe to their list though...) and then if that fails I'm going closed source.

I was very upset yesterday and didn't sleep well at all after it. Sorry to everyone I offended, these issue mean so much to me.


On 12-10-04 07:08 AM, luke.leighton wrote:
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:38 AM,
<> wrote:

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:11:53 -0400
From: Patrick <>
To: Ted Smith <>
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] help with FSF incompatible but
         community oriented licence(s)
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

It goes against the mission of this mailing list as an FSF project to
help anyone find a license meeting this criteria:

Then I give up.

But in closing, if you are not making incremental progress towards your
goals then you won't reach them.

It's sad that BSD is gaining traction. It's much worse then GPL and all
that I am concerned about is worse with it.
  yes.  this is only part of the story:

  the other part of the story is the "estoppel defense", which you
should look up.  google and other copyright holders *knowing* that
there are GPL Copyright infringements taking place, and them doing
*nothing about it*, it is possible, especially after many years, for
an infringer to [successfully] claim that they *implicitly* were given
permission, due to the non-enforcement of the Copyright license.

  this is not a bullshit defense, it's a legitimate defense with a
specific legal name, called "estoppel".  in germany, there is even a
fixed time limit of 30 days for Copyright infringement cases to be
brought against criminal infringers.  beyond that 30 day period, you
*automatically* lose all rights to continue Copyright infringement.

  in the case of BSD Licenses however, there is absolutely no such
time-limited recourse [implicit or explicit]: it's already over.  you
*gave* permission for people to not release the source code.

I am alone with this and depressed
  you're not alone.  i can't help you with the depression bit though :)


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