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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] support me


From: Sytse Sijbrandij
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] support me
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 10:09:01 -0800

Hi hk,

Hope you don't mind the reply to all. Dmitriy and me (founders of
GitLab B.V.) strongly believe that global cooperation is a much
stronger business model than competition without collaboration. We may
disagree on tactics such as what license is best for GitLab and our
use of an open core business model. But I think that we both want to
see more freedom and collaboration in software development. We admire
greatly what Mr. Stallman and the FSF have done and continue to do for
the world.

Best regards,
Sytse Sijbrandij
CEO GitLab B.V.


On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 9:35 AM, hellekin <address@hidden> wrote:
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> On 03/06/15 12:45, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>>
>> AGPL is a must for stuff like web services
>>
> *** +1
>
> I would expect Gitlab to stand for software freedom and shutdown this
> controversy.  Gitlab is a great step away from Github, as it offers
> self-hosting.  But if Sytse Sijbrandij won't distinguish himself from
> Tom Preston-Werner, the march towards software freedom stops there.
>
> The comment highlighted earlier [0] by the Libreboot team, saying that
> "MIT [...] has the least amount of restrictions for everyone" makes it
> clear who "everyone" is (not us).  The arguments supporting the license
> switch away from "MIT" to a proprietary license for Gitlab EE [1] build
> on the same bullshit arguments that the open-source people use(d)
> against free software: *confusion with price*.
>
> Then the FSF should take extra care to provide a working narrative that
> can convince business-oriented people that in the 21st Century, global
> cooperation is a much stronger business model than competition.
>
> With the honorable end of Gitorious enabled by Gitlab Inc., the free
> software community has an opportunity to gather around the AGPL banner
> and build long term trust in a cooperative platform for sharing code.
> Or to divide again and split the effort to duplicate once more the same
> functionality.
>
> When Gitlab appeared as a Github clone, I was very happy, because Github
> was way way better than the existing Web-based code repositories (and
> still is for the most part).  Gitlab was a big surprise as they caught
> up on Github.  The Gitlab EE license switch was a terrible decision, but
> since the Gitlab CE moved on, providing much better functionality than
> SF.net (eaten by some corporation), GNU Savannah (stalling in the
> distant past), or Gitorious (ranging from clunky to unusable), it was
> still better than nothing.
>
> Can we think like we're in the 21st Century, and make software freedom
> work (and earn) for itself, or are we going to waste more time and
> energy believing in the superiority of proprietary software for
> sustainable business?  Where is the FSF narrative for GNU Business?  Why
> is it so difficult for Fortune 100 companies to accept the idea that
> (A)GPL is good for their business?
>
> ==
> hk
>
> [0]:
> https://about.gitlab.com/2015/03/03/gitlab-acquires-gitorious/#comment-1885545097
> [1]: https://about.gitlab.com/2014/02/11/gitlab-ee-license-change/
>
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