Re: [libreplanet-discuss] libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 70, Issue 25

[zerothis baud]

WTFPL presents an unnecessary barrier to Free Software adoption. For this unnecessary barrior, it makes no contribution to Free Software. It excludes people who people bound by workplace standards, living accommodations (such as provided by educational institutions), computer use accommodations (such as puplic terminals, which are the _only_ option for some), morals, good taste, minors (who's FSF contributions should never be dismissed and who's guardians cannot be ignored, legally or ethically), or even local laws. It borders on discrimination. It should not be included in Free Software. No FSF resources should be waisted on it.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: WTFPL Worse License Ever? (Alexander Berntsen)
   2. Re: WTFPL Worse License Ever? (Yoni Rabkin)
   3. Re: WTFPL Worse License Ever? (John Sullivan)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:25:22 +0100
From: Alexander Berntsen <alexander@plaimi.net>
To: Yoni Rabkin <yoni@rabkins.net>
Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] WTFPL Worse License Ever?
Message-ID: <56785222.9030308@plaimi.net">56785222.9030308@plaimi.net>
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On 21/12/15 16:54, Yoni Rabkin wrote:
> But as I said before, try to (as I have) to explain these jokes at
> your company to a room of people who are hostile and/or ignorant
> of free software and the joke loses its shine really fast.
Fuck those people.

> Moreover, people from the free software community who want to use
> software licensed under a joke license have to stop short and
> start searching around to see if it is even a valid license. So
> this joke ends up taking up people's time and effort. Finally,
> license proliferation is a real problem:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License_proliferation
It was never meant to be used for any actually useful software. If
someone use a joke licence for their proper software, that's on them.
The joke is still funny.
- --
Alexander
alexander@plaimi.net
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:43:11 -0500
From: Yoni Rabkin <yoni@rabkins.net>
To: Alexander Berntsen <alexander@plaimi.net>
Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] WTFPL Worse License Ever?
Message-ID: <87si2vlh9s.fsf@rabkins.net">87si2vlh9s.fsf@rabkins.net>
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Alexander Berntsen <alexander@plaimi.net> writes:

> On 21/12/15 16:54, Yoni Rabkin wrote:
>> But as I said before, try to (as I have) to explain these jokes at
>> your company to a room of people who are hostile and/or ignorant
>> of free software and the joke loses its shine really fast.
> Fuck those people.

Really? Why did you even bother writing that? How is that helpful? I
guess it provides you with some kind of catharsis, but I don't know you.

>> Moreover, people from the free software community who want to use
>> software licensed under a joke license have to stop short and
>> start searching around to see if it is even a valid license. So
>> this joke ends up taking up people's time and effort. Finally,
>> license proliferation is a real problem:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License_proliferation
> It was never meant to be used for any actually useful software. If
> someone use a joke licence for their proper software, that's on them.

The wtfpl site (http://www.wtfpl.net/showcase/) showcases useful
software licensed under the terms of the license and asks: "Know some
important or noteworthy work using the WTFPL? Let us know in the
comments!". Then they go on to defend the validity of the wtfpl as a
license in the FAQ entry: "Is the WTFPL a valid license?". So I don't
understand where you get that impression.


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:30:07 -0500
From: John Sullivan <johns@fsf.org>
To: Alexander Berntsen <alexander@plaimi.net>
Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org, Yoni Rabkin
        <yoni@rabkins.net>
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] WTFPL Worse License Ever?
Message-ID: <871tafee9c.fsf@wjsullivan.net">871tafee9c.fsf@wjsullivan.net>
Content-Type: text/plain

Alexander Berntsen <alexander@plaimi.net> writes:

> On 21/12/15 16:54, Yoni Rabkin wrote:
>> But as I said before, try to (as I have) to explain these jokes at
>> your company to a room of people who are hostile and/or ignorant
>> of free software and the joke loses its shine really fast.
> Fuck those people.
>

This is not appropriate tone for this list. There's a good chance some
of "those people" are on this list, but even if not, it's not the way we
want to talk here about the differing points of view we encounter while
advocating for free software.

-john

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