Re: [libreplanet-discuss] We need a Great campaign To tell the programmers to improve their programs To work well with the screen Reader

[Ali Abdul Ghani]

> It seems that NVDA is not fully free software, as its repository on
> GitHub lists proprietary dependencies.

> It too uses eSpeak though, so I think that rather than try to port this
> program to GNU/Linux, it would be better to enhance eSpeak and Orca but
> before that, find out if the maintained alternatives to eSpeak (Festival
> and Sinsy written in C++ and Gnuspeech written in Objective C) can be
> better suited for this task.
orca better than nvda
and eSpeak is so good
The problem is not from the screen reader, but from software developers
they  do not care to Improving Their programs to work with screen readers

I want the campaign to make the programmers Be aware of our existence
> A good thing to have would be a braille display with a libre hardware
> design. Does such a thing exist?
all is non free

have fun and be free
ali miracle



2016-03-24 4:42 جرينتش-08:00, Fabio Pesari <fabiop@gnu.org>:
> On 03/23/2016 11:49 PM, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote:
>>
>> JAWS is loosing market share to nvda but of course that only works on
>> windows.
>
> It seems that NVDA is not fully free software, as its repository on
> GitHub lists proprietary dependencies.
>
> It too uses eSpeak though, so I think that rather than try to port this
> program to GNU/Linux, it would be better to enhance eSpeak and Orca but
> before that, find out if the maintained alternatives to eSpeak (Festival
> and Sinsy written in C++ and Gnuspeech written in Objective C) can be
> better suited for this task.
>
> I think the FSF was right to propose this as a high priority project,
> but simply listing it doesn't help stuff get developed or popularized
> (most people still use Skype, and that's been on the high priority list
> for years).
>
> I think they should collaborate with the Accessible Computing Foundation
> to help them secure some funding, and those funds should be used to help
> improve the existing programs. I know the Orca devs aren't looking for
> funds but still, it would be bad if Orca lost users to NVDA (and
> consequently, GNU/Linux to Windows) and there are many items on their
> bug tracker.
>
>> Then it seems that blind is a spectrum and that 97% of people that
>> are blind in UK can acutually see a bit so screen readers might not be
>> needed
>> but better font contrast.
>
> About users with lesser visual impairments - in my opinion they do not
> have the highest priority simply because it's always best to prepare for
> the worst case scenario, and all of those people can use screen readers
> for sure, but the same can't be said about other kinds of software (like
> screen magnifiers, and so on).
>
> A good thing to have would be a braille display with a libre hardware
> design. Does such a thing exist?
>
>> Does this mean that what most people use is the web so that programs
>> (applications) is really not as big an issue (urgent)?
>> And the focus of a campaign should be aimed at web?
>
> This is valid for every field in computing, not just accessibility. In
> my opinion it's a lost cause: too many people working on websites, a lot
> of commercial interests (ads, DRM, captchas), plenty of images and a
> complete disregard for user freedom (from proprietary JavaScript to CDNs).
>
> On most websites, what counts is bling - I am not visually impaired and
> yet I have trouble browsing most of them, and many of them require
> JavaScript for no reason at all.
>
> I think the web is only doomed to get worse, especially as it moves away
> from plain text, and there is no way to enforce any kind of standard.
> Fortunately, RSS exists, so sites supporting it will always be
> accessible to visually impaired users.
>
>


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