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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Libreplanet using Discourse for mailing lists


From: A.S.
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Libreplanet using Discourse for mailing lists and web-based forums?
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:51:19 -0300
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Oh, and I've just learnt that all discourse install gives their users
the ability to run in a safe-mode
<https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-use-discourse-safe-mode/53504>
stripping javascript \o/


On 22/06/17 00:33, A.S. wrote:
>
> discourse <https://www.discourse.org/features> gives its users both
> "Mailing list mode" and "Activity summary" by email. AFAIK, it even
> bridges email replies as comments on the actual platform. Plus, the
> license
> <https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/master/LICENSE.txt> is
> GPL v2.
>
>
> On 22/06/17 00:02, Connor Doherty wrote:
>> Those two did not propose anything, but having both email and web interfaces 
>> was indeed my proposal from the start, as per the initial email.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: libreplanet-discuss <address@hidden> on behalf of willi uebelherr 
>> <address@hidden>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 9:30:13 PM
>> To: address@hidden
>> Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Libreplanet using Discourse for mailing 
>> lists and web-based forums?
>>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> like Mike Gerwitz i agree very much with the proposals from J.B.
>> Nicholson. We have to combine and not to separate. Normally with his own
>> access to the common data. Without copy.
>>
>> many greetings, willi
>>
>>
>> Am 20/6/2017 um 21:44 schrieb J.B. Nicholson:
>>> Connor Doherty wrote:
>>>> *   Mailman, the software usually used for mailing lists, shows its age,
>>>> with an unnecessarily clunky, under-designed web interface.
>>> Two big good things about Mailman 2's web interface: it's optional (one
>>> can do mailing list management via email) and it doesn't require
>>> Javascript (it's entirely form driven). I don't know about Mailman 3's
>>> interface.
>>>
>>> Not using Javascript (JS) is a good thing to me because it means I don't
>>> have to review code to make sure the webpage isn't trying to do
>>> something beyond letting me supply an email address to manage my own
>>> list details. Free software JS doesn't address this concern at all (thus
>>> this concern is out of scope for LibreJS): This concern has nothing to
>>> do with whether I can run, copy, modify, or share the JS. I come across
>>> too many pages where JS is added on because some web developer thinks
>>> it's a good idea to implement a feature in that way, and along the way
>>> (most of the time) the web developer has clients loading in JS from
>>> various other places and the client's security now depends on JS from
>>> multiple sources. All of this (and the commensurate slowdown due to
>>> executing JS) so I can have features I probably don't want in the first
>>> place (and don't have to deal with at all in a mailing list).
>>>
>>> I see "Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled" on
>>> https://community.cartalk.com/login even though there's nothing about
>>> logging into anything that genuinely requires JS to do that job.
>>>
>>> But as you say with Discourse, I don't see this as an either-or
>>> situation: the Trisquel GNU/Linux forum is an example of a
>>> Mailman-managed mailing list and a web forum where posts to either are
>>> copied between the two. I never use the web forum, and I'm sure there
>>> are people who never use the mailing list but we discuss things all the
>>> same. Whatever software they're using seems to work out well enough
>>> (perhaps better for the mailing list users as I understand the web forum
>>> admins can "lock out" a thread but this doesn't seem to carry over to
>>> the mailing list, thus I can post to any thread or start a new thread at
>>> any time).
>>>
>>>> *   More importantly, the mailing list concept has proven bad for
>>>> scaling. With tiny projects, the notion of "automatically subscribe me
>>>> to every new post to every new thread" for a topic or a slew of topics
>>>> might make sense or at least be harmless. But when a community booms,
>>>> many find it unrealistic to manage all of the emails in the mailing
>>>> list.
>>> I don't see this as a problem. I see this as a feature: I have no
>>> problem filing the list emails into a folder and reading them when I
>>> have time. I subscribe to multiple lists and I do this quite
>>> successfully across them all using an interface I know, scales well to
>>> service many people, and doesn't require that I learn a new interface to
>>> do what I come to a list to do -- read and participate in discussions.
>>> These days it's easy to get an email account with lots of space.
>>>
>>>> *   The best mailman can do is roll up messages into a "digest". This
>>>> makes it harder to reply quickly, and while it might solve growing pains
>>>> at the couple-of posts a day scale, it's still useless above that or for
>>>> people who don't want another daily email.
>>> I've never found mailing list digests to be handy or wise because they
>>> break threads and people don't take the time to edit their posts to only
>>> what's relevant for that post. Posters typically leave a lot of other
>>> digested posts in their followup. But this doesn't seem like an issue
>>> on-topic here. Perhaps it's worth turning off digesting for a list in
>>> Mailman 3.
>>>
>>>> My suggestion in this regard is a piece of libre software called
>>>> Discourse<http://www.discourse.org/>. I apologize if this has already
>>>> been suggested elsewhere.
>>> I looked at the instance on https://community.cartalk.com/ and saw some
>>> top-level threads there. All the discussions seem to take place in one
>>> thread per discussion. I couldn't easily figure out who was replying to
>>> whom in any discussion. I hope this is configurable so proper discussion
>>> threading can be done.
>>>
>>>> What's relevant here, especially for those afraid of change, is that
>>>> while Discourse may be a "fancy web forum", it can [now] be completely
>>>> interacted with via email, putting it near feature parity with mailing
>>>> list software.
>>> Where can one find an example of this mailing list interface?
>>>
>>> I'd like to see where I can find archives of a Discourse-managed mailing
>>> list and download those archives in mbox format (with no JS required) so
>>> I can add those archived posts to my email clients and browse the threads.
>>>
>>> I'm not going to address the issues you raised with the wiki here
>>> because those seem to me to be an entirely separate issue from setting
>>> up software that copies posts between a web forum and a corresponding
>>> mailing list.
>>>
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