Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward

['smee]

Please answer my other questions if you insist there are real people
who have had a bad experience with a particular project because of
their sex or sexual orientation. Specifics shouldn't be hard to come up
with given the strength of your assertion. Please give specifics. Or
address any one of my other points instead of setting up a strawman and
 knocking it down.

On Tue, 2019-09-24 at 11:55 -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 10:46 AM 'smee <overthefalls@opengroupware.ch
> > wrote:
> > Quote from you:
> > "The outrage (and demand for new leadership) is coming from real
> > women
> > who
> > have tried to participate in free software and been rebuffed by
> > sexist
> > behavior who felt that perhaps at this moment they might *finally*
> > be
> > heard."
> > 
> > 
> > Please give examples giving details of how these people were
> > 'rebuffed'. What exactly were they trying to do when they were
> > rebuffed? 
> > 
> > Serious question. Were they submitting code? Were they doing QA
> > work?
> > Which project rebuffed them and what was the reason given?
> > 
> > I think most projects (especially those conscientious enough to be
> > in
> > the free software movement) would be happy to have contributions
> > from
> > anyone and don't go out of their way to even find out the sex of
> > contributors, much less 'rebuff' them for being a particular sex.
> > And, the funny thing is, these contributors could fork the code,
> > call
> > out the sexism, and basically take over the code of any project
> > they
> > were interested in. Anyone in free software knows this, it gives a
> > peaceful solution to these type of situations. 
> > 
> > Why attack the FSF and RMS? 
> 
> I have not attacked the FSF. 
>  
> > Epstein is the horrible piece of trash (as well as all of his
> > associates) that committed the worst atrocities we've heard of
> > recently
> > against women. 
> > 
> > Let's not take attention away from that fact or the fact that he is
> > likely still alive, and that Ghislaine Maxwell is still free and,
> > seemingly won't ever be charged or even approached about this. She
> > is
> > trash and shouldn't be allowed to show her face anywhere in the
> > world
> > again for being his accomplice. 
> > 
> > Let's keep the spotlight where it belongs (epstein, maxwell,
> > everyone
> > including judges and politicians who helped him) when it comes to
> > all
> > the things you're accusing RMS of. Those are the real animals. I'm
> > starting to think this whole thing is a distraction from those
> > pieces
> > of garbage. What do you think people? Don't forget EPSTEIN and
> > MAXWELL
> > should continue to be the focus until that thing is actually
> > resolved. 
> > 
> > @ Deb Nicholson, I have a number of questions above, if you insist
> > on
> > your assertion, then provide what I've requested please.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 2019-09-24 at 09:13 -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
> > > The outrage (and demand for new leadership) is coming from real
> > women
> > > who
> > > have tried to participate in free software and been rebuffed by
> > > sexist
> > > behavior who felt that perhaps at this moment they might
> > *finally* be
> > > heard.
> >