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Re: People calling the GPLs 'evil licenses' - action plan?

From: wolftune
Subject: Re: People calling the GPLs 'evil licenses' - action plan?
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 09:20:26 -0700

This is the hypocritical version of the two anti-copyleft positions. The 
non-hypocritical is the one that opposes proprietary software but also dislikes 
copyleft limitations. Such as the angle. That's a principled but 
somewhat extreme position like anarchy, opposing all government regulations of 

This Chris person is making a stupid argument. He's saying that it's perfectly fine to 
block anyone from doing anything with some software by using a proprietary license but 
it's somehow evil to permit software freedoms via GPL. Graciously pointing out the 
hypocrisy is a good step. Just say, "if you think it's okay for me to use a 
*proprietary* license, what's wrong with using copyleft to *allow* people *more* freedom 
than the proprietary licenses?"

Chris is asking to have it both ways. He's asking to assert that expat license 
is more free and freedom is good *and* that proprietary terms are fine. If he 
cares about freedom, he shouldn't be okay with proprietary terms. If he's okay 
with proprietary terms than he isn't focused on freedom and shouldn't mind GPL 
whether or not it's free in his view. Focus on that issue and skip the debate 
about which of expat or GPL is more free.

On 2022-05-17 8:52 a.m., andrew via libreplanet-discuss 
<> wrote:
Andrew  Would suffice to indicate 
extending an existing Expat (MIT) project into a project based on the original 
work but licensed under the (A)GPL?
Andrew  ugh, forgot to place the agpl in it
ChrisWarrick    ask a lawyer
ChrisWarrick    (and consider a less evil license)
Andrew  Not asking for legal advice, just general practice
Andrew  And I don't consider the GPLs to be evil, I use  them for bigger 
projects while I use public domain (unlicense) for smaller ones
ChrisWarrick    licenses are legal stuff, so you are asking for legal advice
Andrew  asking stuff like 'does the US have any laws' is legal but isn't asking 
for legal advice imo
ChrisWarrick    your question is “am I interpeting and using the license 
Andrew  i guess
Andrew  and why do you think the gpl is evil?
ChrisWarrick    GPL, and especially AGPL, makes your code less free than MIT/BSD
nedbat  Andrew: this is a classic debate
Andrew  ChrisWarrick: PM me, thanks
Andrew  because I want to prevent people from proprietizing it
ChrisWarrick    but at the same time, you’re benefitting from Brandon Nguyen’s 
Andrew  yes
ChrisWarrick    but he isn’t able to benefit from yours
Andrew  they could use the AGPL/GPL, and they could ask me for an exception
Andrew  the greater danger is people taking expat code and proprietizing it, 
hindering free use altogether
ChrisWarrick    what is wrong with proprietary use though?
Andrew  i'll get back to you with an article tomorrow, thanks on your thoughts
Andrew  meanwhile, explains 
part of it
Andrew  dont agree to all of it, i see a lot of use of permissive licenses, but 
not for the project working on now
ChrisWarrick    do you have a less offensive article?
Andrew  I'm working on that
ChrisWarrick    okay

I hope this is clear enough on what I need ... well, how do I explain
the GPL to them?

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